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BernardLanguillier
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« on: April 18, 2006, 10:05:10 PM »
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Dear all,

Any comments on this one?

http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1735275&forward=

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Bernard
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2006, 10:57:05 PM »
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I really like Fractal Siberia.

As to the photo in question.  Very nice.  I wish you could see the wall more clearly (at all) in that first horizontal run.  Your eye kind of has to guess where it is going there.

I'm thinking this prints great.  Just how much detail is in that image?  8000x5500?  Good lord.
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2006, 11:28:42 PM »
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I really like Fractal Siberia.

As to the photo in question.  Very nice.  I wish you could see the wall more clearly (at all) in that first horizontal run.  Your eye kind of has to guess where it is going there.

I'm thinking this prints great.  Just how much detail is in that image?  8000x5500?  Good lord.
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Thanks for taking the time to give this a look.

Yep, I agree with you that you cannot really see it clearly enough in the middle section, but I had no options. What you might not have noticed on the small web image, is that the wall keeps climbing towards the right on the foggy hill side in the backgroud. On can basically see every single stone in that section too on the full scale image.

I was afraid that the 70-200 at 200 mm on a light tripod (Gitzo 1028) wouldn't be too sharp, but the original images are very crisp. The stitch has kept about 90% of the per pixel sharpness of the initial images, you can basically see every single leaf in the whole of the picture... :-)

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Bernard
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2006, 01:14:07 AM »
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Nicely done, Bernard!  Have you considered converting to B&W?  There's not much colour in the shot to begin with... I could imagine it printed on an old-fashioned, high-contrast B&W paper.  It might create a little more separation with the mountains in the background as well.

Anyway, thanks for sharing!

Mike.
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2006, 01:25:55 AM »
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Nicely done, Bernard!  Have you considered converting to B&W?  There's not much colour in the shot to begin with... I could imagine it printed on an old-fashioned, high-contrast B&W paper.  It might create a little more separation with the mountains in the background as well.

Anyway, thanks for sharing!

Mike.
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Hi Mike,

Thanks for the comments. B&W is a good idea indeed, i'll give it a try.

the image in its present condition only underwent limited processing in RSP to get better black and white point and WB. I feel that a lot could be done on contrast, especially in B&W indeed.

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Bernard
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2006, 04:03:27 AM »
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Thanks Bernard for his beautiful image. I quite like the tonings - they are rather unique and unusual. So often images scream colour and contrast, this time the subtleness of the tonings create a wonderful atmosphere. I have given it just a small increase in contrast, to help define the foreground a little more, hopefully without disrupting the feel of the image. I would be interested in seeing if someone could do a B&W version.
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2006, 04:17:11 AM »
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Thanks Jule,

A bit more contrast does indeed help. Finding the best balance is difficult, but your image does probably get as close as it gets.

My first reaction when I saw the haze was discouragement, but then I realized that the whole atmosphere worked pretty well indeed.

I'll try a B&W version of this tonight if work ever finishes...

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Bernard
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2006, 07:13:10 AM »
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Hello Bernard,

That is a lovely image. When it first opened, having seen the title, I was dissapointed that the light was a little flat and not more directional. Having spent a while looking at it now I think I couldn't have been more wrong.

The subtly of tones is really pleasing and works so well with the organic shapes.

I'm intrigued too about how you shoot for a stitching project like this. I'm guessing it was a very calm day to allow you to overlap all the trees and get a perfect match. This is something I need to learn about as I've just sold my Fuji 617 kit and would love to try some stitched panoramas to see what can be achieved there.

Also, is the software you use a large part of the end result? I know I can put frames together in photoshop but that doesn't seem to be a common approach.

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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2006, 08:39:18 AM »
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Hi Dassajl,

Thanks. Based on previous advice, I have come up with the following B&W version, a bit more punchy.

http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1735471

Regarding stitching, yep, no-wind is the basic condition for such scenes, unless you are willing to spend a lot of time in PS.

PTgui is really easy to use and gives great results automatically when using longer lenses. For some reason I am having less satisfactory results with lenses wider than 24 mm, still trying to figure out why.

Funny that you sold you 617, I have just purchased a 617 roll film back for my 4*5 camera.

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Bernard
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2006, 09:42:25 AM »
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I still like the original color version.
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2006, 09:58:18 AM »
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Bernard,
Now that I see the B&W version, I really like the color version much better.
I think the total atmosphere of soft color is just great for this picture.
Thanks for sharing.
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2006, 10:10:34 AM »
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Funny that you sold you 617, I have just purchased a 617 roll film back for my 4*5 camera.

That was a major consideration in letting it go. Next thing on the shopping list is a 5x4 kit that's light enough to trek with and a 617 back will be part of it.

A 617 tranny may actually be of less use than a good digital file when it comes to printing or web use but you can't beat the feeling of seeing them on the lightbox.

Thanks also for the stitching info.  

The b&w looks good and if you'd have posted that first I'm sure I'd have loved it but I too prefer the colour version. Them tones, them tones...........  
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2006, 03:44:59 PM »
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I like it when a stitched picture doesn't scream: "I was stitched!!!" (this is true for HDR as well) From this point of view I like your picture since I can imagine the fine details of the original image.

BTW: Why don't you publishing your stitched picture with Zoomify? This method gives a viewer the opportunity to dive into the details.

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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2006, 06:02:15 PM »
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I still think I prefer your coloured original Bernard. The tonings are so wonderful and subtle...and challenges our perhaps conditioned perception that there should be a certain amount of contrast to bring depth to an image. Other qualities in this particular image I think override the need for more contrast or B&W.
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2006, 06:29:14 PM »
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Thank you all for your time.

I think that I agree with you, the color version is probably more powerful.

I'll try to print both on Photorag 308 to see how they look.

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Bernard
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« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2006, 01:09:27 AM »
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More of the same:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28128708@N00/...57594111812547/

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Bernard
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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2006, 10:20:25 AM »
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Good morning Bernard.

A wonderful portfolio, well seen and executed.

Two thumbs up.  

Thank you for sharing your vision.

Rich
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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2006, 02:53:13 PM »
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Great images Bernard. Thanks. When I see your 'wall' image amongst the other images in your portfolio, the more I am convinced that your original, subtle fog/mist tonings are just perfect and superb. It is a stand out in your portfolio,  because if its uniqueness and mood.
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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2006, 08:40:16 PM »
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Thank you again ladies and gentlemen.

I agree with you Julie, it is also my favorite.

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Bernard
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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2006, 11:35:42 AM »
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I've hesitated to say anything so far here because I didn't have anything to say that hadn't already been said, but at this point I'd just like to add that I enjoy seeing a photo that doesn't follow the current trend of oversaturation.  Seeing a photo that has natural-looking colors is pleasantly refreshing, and you've produced an excellent one here.  It makes one feel like one is seeing a real place instead of "fantasy-photo-land".

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