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Hello to my fellow photographers, this is my first post to the LL board.  I was brought here by the madness at the RG site and look forward to posting here in the future.

I just was reading Drew's post in the rolling archive section and was wondering what he meant by "paying members will vote in 30 days whether they will keep it going".  Are they talking about the adding of new content to the archive or keeping the whole thing free to read?

Has anyone had their posts successfully deleted from the archive.  I don't want it to come to that but if he closes the archive to free readers I will have no choice.
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Has anyone had their posts successfully deleted from the archive.  I don't want it to come to that but if he closes the archive to free readers I will have no choice.
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=63876\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

Not me. I emailed Drew again today asking that he delete my posts which I was able to access in the archives. If I don't see them gone in a few days, I have a letter ready to go to his ISP claiming abuse of my copyright.

If you're concerned that your posts get deleted, I'd make sure it's done before the archives are no longer accessible to non members or we'll need a mole inside to ensure they do get deleted.
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« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2006, 01:58:18 PM »
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Well apparently Drew isn't going to let me edit the posts nor delete them. Just got this from him:

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Hi Andrew,

I appreciate your concern.

However, the archive was created to allow others to have access to this
archive the way it was originally.  This request has been honored.

Even if the original RG forums were still open you would not be able to edit
these posts.  Even if I were to temporarily turn your account back on
you would not be able to edit these posts.  The software only allows you to edit your
posts for a short time window.  That window has passed.

I'm sorry you do not trust our handling of this historical information.  I can
understand your concern given the speed of change with which everything has
occured.

I wish you the best.  You are certainly welcome to join our new forums.
Everyone is.

So now the question is, do I contact his ISP with a letter that he's violated copyright or simply shine it on and let the posts remain? I have nothing against Drew (other than he will not delete the posts). In a way, I could have pressed Rob, who I'm far more pissed at to remove the posts awhile ago. I have no plans to join this forum! Maybe I should just let it go...
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« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2006, 02:56:39 PM »
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Andrew,

Assuming that the 'historical' archive is freely accessible to the public,whether they are
paying subscribers of the forums or not,does that not satisfy the demands most 'historical'
authors wanted this time last week when things blew up?

To be honest,I haven't kept up with the evolution this past week and don't know that the
old forums are,indeed,freely accessible but if it is the case then I should think there would
no longer be a perceived copyright issue.

Are we each able to delete  all our old posts on the L.L. forum,or on any other public
forum that is free to access,for that matter ?

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Assuming that the 'historical' archive is freely accessible to the public,whether they are
paying subscribers of the forums or not,does that not satisfy the demands most 'historical'
authors wanted this time last week when things blew up?
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=63954\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

I believe so and my gut reaction is to leave the posts and move on. It does no harm and I really have nothing (yet) against Drew.
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Assuming that the 'historical' archive is freely accessible to the public,whether they are
paying subscribers of the forums or not,does that not satisfy the demands most 'historical'
authors wanted this time last week when things blew up?[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=63954\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

But... is it possible that not ALL the archive is available?

I had a few threads bookmarked to read latter (but, silly me, not downloaded), and now there is no way I can find them on the "historicals". I do have the tittle of all of them, but none shows when I do search...

Am I so unlucky? Am I doing something wrong? Am I blind, somehow, and unale to find the way to the threads? Will they appear, eventually?

I wanted to a ask this to the new manager but, of course, I can not post anymore.    

Does anyone know anything about this?

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« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2006, 03:59:47 PM »
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But... is it possible that not ALL the archive is available?
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=63957\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

Not sure. Seems to be. However, the search engine is not so hot. Apparently you can't search back more than 1 year. What you can do is fine one of your posts, click on the User info and then select "Show all Users Posts".
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« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2006, 04:08:23 PM »
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You can contact Drew directly through the emailaddress at the bottom of the start page of the new forum or use this one:

drew@prophotocommunity.com


I did so and he responded quite fast.

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« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2006, 05:38:06 PM »
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Not sure. Seems to be. However, the search engine is not so hot. Apparently you can't search back more than 1 year. What you can do is fine one of your posts, click on the User info and then select "Show all Users Posts".
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=63959\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


Those threads were defenetly less than one year old, two months top... And in most of them I was more learning than posting, so I cannot find them by my user name...

Weird.. Just wrote Drew, if and when he answers, I will let you know
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« Reply #57 on: April 28, 2006, 07:51:59 PM »
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No problems with Drew.

RG and MS were _________deleted by moderator__________
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No problems with Drew.

RG and MS were ________.  I would send a letter to the ISP.  I plan on it.  _______MODERATED________[{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

RicAgu, are you a Drew plant?  I noticed another thread you started on LL that was equally offensive and as personal an attack on RG and Mike as your post here. I'm not going to get into a debate with you about them.  I would hope that you don't poison this forum.  Or that if you try to, you get knocked off this one like RG apparently knocked you off his. And no, won't respond to what I expect you will throw my way.

I do hope though that this forum doesn't become one that we're driven away from by the likes of these kinds of posts.

William you're right.  The promise that Drew made seems to be simply unture -- at least at the moment.  When you do a search for James Russell you pull up only 200 or so posts from the last few months.  (You can get on the site with your old name and password without paying for the moment, but can't post.)  I did a search before the site went down with JR's name to be able to key in the posts I wanted to download, and there were more than 700.

So Drew has not kept the archive of the site open.  Just a mirage of it.  When you read his discussion about a "three month rolling archive" system, he's apparently clueing us in to what he's done already, and then will have confirmed by the vote he plans to have of his paid membership -- which by his count in one of his threads is about 100.

the rolling archive thread:
[a href=\"http://www.prophotocommunity.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=422127&an=0&page=0#Post422127]http://www.prophotocommunity.com/ubbthread...ge=0#Post422127[/url]

membership numbers thread:
http://www.prophotocommunity.com/ubbthread...ge=0#Post422174

Hope we're just missing something, or that this will be changed now, but from what we saw last weekend (all those dozens of threads with all the RG members objecting to the whole idea of a closed forum are officially gone) have a feeling we've got it right.

What is so odd about it all -- not counting the meltdown, which still makes you shake your head -- is that if Drew and Co had taken a moment to try and understand the nature of the RG membership, and how it differs from their current site, and kept the site open and encouraged people back they would have been booming by now.  

For those who missed it, the site was brought down "for technical reasons" a bit after RG, who was still the moderator at the time and allowing members to speak freely as long as they didn't get personal, deleted a post of one of the new moderators for making a personal attack on an RG member.  Now that was a fitting end!  

Let's hope LL becomes a good place to continue the kinds of discussions that flourished on RG --which is the only reason I'm making the effort to respond directly to the stuff above.  It's important to not let LL get hijacked.

Steven
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« Reply #59 on: April 28, 2006, 10:31:11 PM »
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What is so odd about it all -- not counting the meltdown, which still makes you shake your head -- is that if Drew and Co had taken a moment to try and understand the nature of the RG membership, and how it differs from their current site, and kept the site open and encouraged people back they would have been booming by now. 

...................Steven
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You are absolutely on the money.............The business decisions were SHORTsided.
A business person with vision would have understood the key play was transitioning the majority of the forum to the new site and building on that. Pity.
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