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« on: May 13, 2006, 04:05:19 AM »
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About 9 months ago I ordered a new computer with a dual core 64 bit Intel processor and Win XP 64 bit OS. I wanted to maximise the usage of RAM by Photoshop (up to 3GB) to speed things up, and I also included a fair amount of hard drive space (2x200GB WD hard drives plus 2x76GB Raptors).

It was my dream system of the day. I can actually burn  4gb+ on a DVD at a true 16x speed. It's the computer I want to use for all my photo editing work, including storage, printing and transfer of images to DVD.

But there's a huge snag. There are still no 64 bit drivers available for for my X-rite DTP94 colorimeter which I bought from ColorEyes, bundled with their software.

I find this huge delay in providing 64 bit drivers very strange. When I first enquired, I got 2 conflicting messages. One effectively said, 'there are no plans to develop 64 bit drivers. We have enough headaches with 32 bit drivers." Another reply immediately following, said in effect, 'we are expecting 64 bit drivers from X-Rite soon'.

It looks as though the first reply was spot on, and it puts me in a difficult situation. The obvious solution is to create a dual boot and use Win XP Pro (32 bit) for photo editing, but apparently this process only works when a more advanced OS is installed later. I've got the latest OS installed first. I tried booting up my system with a Win XP pro disc in the DVD drive and it just ignored it.

Now, I gather there are ways around this (if I've understood comments on Microsoft's website). If I take my computer back to the folks who assembled it, they should be able to install Win XP Pro (32 bit) on a spare hard drive and give me the option of choosing OS's when I boot up, but I'm reluctant to go to this trouble if, in a few weeks time, 64 bit drivers for the X-Rite DTP94 become available.

The last enquiry I sent to X-Rite on this matter was not answered.

9 months is a long tome to wait for a driver to be developed. A complete human being can be developed in that time, from conception to delivery.
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2006, 04:02:47 PM »
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It doesn't really help your current situation that much, but Gretag Macbeth has had 64 bit support since the release of version 3.6 of their Eye One Match software in mid-March. I have been using it with success with an Eye One Display 2 and Windows XP x64.
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2006, 11:09:18 PM »
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Theoretically you could just calibrate usind a 32 bit OS on the same computer and then use the profile created for the 64 bit system. However the problem is loading the LUTs in 64 bits... Does anybody know if XP 64 needs an LUT loader? And if it does where to get one? Like, for instance, maybe Adobe Gamma's loader might work... Just an idea. [edit] Or, you can just grab the wincolor executable from the XP color control panel applet without actually installing it and see if it can work as a standalone LUT loader with the /L switch...
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2006, 11:16:18 AM »
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HI Ray,

I feel your pain, I just bought Lacie Blue Eye and downloaded Gretags iMatch 3.6 software and can finally sit infront of a calibrated monitor and working in 64-bit OS (winXP x64)
I had the spyder before and there was no light at the end of the tunnel as far as I could see. Well, now there is! and I am very happy with it.
System bought in June05 ! ;-) what a wait!!

cheers

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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2006, 12:10:46 PM »
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What is the licensing procedure if you use EyeOne Display2 with the Blue Eye? They seem to be the same colorimeters, but do you just download it and it works with Lacie's serial or something like that? <edit> Never mind. It looks like EyeOne match just requires a compatible device to work... Hmm...
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2006, 07:39:08 AM »
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Ray, I feel your pain, too.

I own a laptop with WinXP 64.

This causes a headache with a pretty big group of software, including certain video codecs and drivers.

In brief, Windows XP is not ready for 64-bit prime time, simply because the software support isn't there yet.

If we are to believe the rumors, Windows Vista will have fixed this problem, but that's not going to help you much.

For now, try to go for the dual-booting option.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2006, 09:19:39 AM »
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I feel your pain, I just bought Lacie Blue Eye and downloaded Gretags iMatch 3.6 software and can finally sit infront of a calibrated monitor and working in 64-bit OS (winXP x64)

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Hi! Henrik,
I don't really want to go to the expenses of another calibrating system. The LaCie Blue Eye is a bit pricey in Australian dollars and the Gretage iMatch software appears to be only available for those who have bought Gretag products. How are you able to use it?
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2006, 09:38:31 AM »
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I don't really want to go to the expenses of another calibrating system. The LaCie Blue Eye is a bit pricey in Australian dollars and the Gretage iMatch software appears to be only available for those who have bought Gretag products. How are you able to use it?
Blue Eye is a rebranded version of EyeOne.
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2006, 09:39:09 AM »
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Jani,
That's what I'll probably do but I've been putting the job off for fear of stuffing things up. Oddly enough, the only disadvantage of the 64 bit system I've come across so far, is the lack of a driver for the X-Rite DTP94. All other programs work fine. 64 bit drivers for my Epson 7600 have been available for a long time. Hmm! I wonder if QImage works?  Can't check that out at the moment because I'm at another location.
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2006, 09:49:24 AM »
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That's what I'll probably do but I've been putting the job off for fear of stuffing things up. Oddly enough, the only disadvantage of the 64 bit system I've come across so far, is the lack of a driver for the X-Rite DTP94. All other programs work fine. 64 bit drivers for my Epson 7600 have been available for a long time. Hmm! I wonder if QImage works?  Can't check that out at the moment because I'm at another location.
Real Player doesn't work under XP 64, neither does Cygwin.

Any device driver software must be specially coded, and since XP 64 systems are relatively rare, these drivers appear later on the scene.

Even Internet Explorer 6 is included in two different versions, one "64-bit" and one "32-bit". Neither work quite as satisfactory as under a 32-bit XP, strangely enough.

Funnily enough, I tend to do all my PS work on that laptop, while I do all the pre-editing on my PowerMac under Lightroom. I tried using PS Elements 4, but that software sucks too much compared to PS CS2, so I'll probably upgrade to PS CS3 when that arrives early next year, if I have the patience to keep this stupid workflow.

As a further digression, I found yet another reason not to use DNG, and that is that metadata about cropping, B&W conversion etc. is lost.
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2006, 09:50:41 AM »
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I see. That gives me a choice then. I don't see any reference to 64 bit drivers in relation to colorimeters, doing a Google search. There seems to be great secrecy on the matter. My video card is a Matrox P650 PCIe 64 bit. I don't suppose there's any chance that the 64 bit driver might not work with certain video cards, is there?  
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2006, 09:31:13 AM »
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Okay! Second thoughts! It seems it's going to be more economical to buy an EyeOne Display 2 with software, than another Win XP Pro software package plus either the personal hassle of installing the system with all the other programs I want to use, or paying someone else to do the job.

I've ordered from the local agent the EyeOne Display 2 with software for A$528 (about US$400). That's less than I thought it would be. Hopefully, all will end well   .
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2006, 09:54:10 AM »
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I hope this goes well, too!

And in any case, you can now submit your own experiences with these two calibration products.
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2006, 10:32:26 AM »
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Hi! Henrik,
I don't really want to go to the expenses of another calibrating system. The LaCie Blue Eye is a bit pricey in Australian dollars and the Gretage iMatch software appears to be only available for those who have bought Gretag products. How are you able to use it?
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Ray,

The Blue Eye was the cheapest I could get (AUD$330), and I just downloaded the iMatch software and it worked!

easy as that

best of luck

Henrik
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2006, 11:28:58 AM »
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The Blue Eye was the cheapest I could get (AUD$330), and I just downloaded the iMatch software and it worked!
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Then perhaps EyeOne LT would work as well...
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2006, 12:26:09 PM »
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The Blue Eye was the cheapest I could get (AUD$330[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=65677\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

A$330? You mean I've thrown away $200? Blo**y h*ll!
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2006, 08:01:06 PM »
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A$330? You mean I've thrown away $200? Blo**y h*ll!
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Ray,

Its starting to look that way, I think the iOne2 was AUD$470 in Perth and the above price for the Blue Eye.
I don;t know if i got a discount ?

I am sure that as soon as you have a beautifully calibrated screen to work on the extra dollars are quickly forgotten ;-)

happy calibrating

Henrik

PS: looks like my dells are a bit too bright and my GF's crt is not bright enough!
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2006, 05:29:51 AM »
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PS: looks like my dells are a bit too bright and my GF's crt is not bright enough!
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Henrik,
A bit off topic, but what do you think of the Eizo FlexScan S1910? Kayell, where I ordered my EyeOne Display 2, have this 19" monitor at what seems a reasonable price of A$1075. I'm particularly impressed with the combination of low brightness and high contrast ratio (250 cd/M2 plus 1000:1). This seems ideal for low eye strain, high picture quality and good calibratability. The 10 bit gamma processing is also encouraging.

I know that Eizo's much more expensive models claim to display the ARGB color gamut, but that's not a complete solution for me because I use ProPhoto RGB.
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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2006, 10:57:58 AM »
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Henrik,
A bit off topic, but what do you think of the Eizo FlexScan S1910? Kayell, where I ordered my EyeOne Display 2, have this 19" monitor at what seems a reasonable price of A$1075. I'm particularly impressed with the combination of low brightness and high contrast ratio (250 cd/M2 plus 1000:1). This seems ideal for low eye strain, high picture quality and good calibratability. The 10 bit gamma processing is also encouraging.

I know that Eizo's much more expensive models claim to display the ARGB color gamut, but that's not a complete solution for me because I use ProPhoto RGB.
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Hi Ray,

by the looks of the specs, it looks like a nice screen (definately better then my Dell 2405 ;-) but what isn't ) main difference between this and the more expensive is that they support 14bit and has builtin calibration (which is great!) but I could not pay the pricetag atm!
DigitStor has it at the same price
and PlusCorp [a href=\"http://www.pluscorp.com.au/Product.asp?CategoryID=262&WebsiteID=2&ProdID=6811]http://www.pluscorp.com.au/Product.asp?Cat...D=2&ProdID=6811[/url]
has the same price too

just so you know. apart from its better sisters it is probably the best in its range. I wish a had some spare cash myself.

let me know if you get it, and what your impression is of it. I am using two Dell 24" and when calibrated with iMatch, i get print match so I can't complain. But is probably in what I can't see there is the difference, I don't know cos I can't see it!
I would love to watch them side by side, I will have to replace the last two CRTs sometime this year, this could be the ticket

thanks
Henrik
Perth, WA
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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2006, 02:47:49 PM »
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<edit> I was trying to test if LT would work with the Match 3 software and bundled drivers. I don't have a 64 bit system so the fact that it works (in restricted LT mode) doesn't really matter for this discussion.
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