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« on: June 26, 2006, 12:43:23 PM »
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Given the acquisition by Adobe of the Rawshooter Premium 'technology', described here on Adobe's web site, will the RAW conversion engine currently in RSP be used in Lightroom, or will it instead use the current ACR engine?

A related question: will it be based on using a couple of spectral response curves, or will it use camera profiles?

My perspective is an RSP user on Windows, who purchased it because I preferred the colours produced by RSP to those produced by ACR. I'm a Photoshop user but still awaiting Lightroom with interest.

Can anybody provide any more info on this?

Jeff? Michael? Thomas?

Thanks in anticipation,

Alan
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2006, 05:00:39 PM »
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For the sake of RSP/RSE users, let's hope that LR will import their settings files.  Killing development / sales / support of both stone dead, with no warning, and no alternative (yet), hardly does much for Adobe's image as the photographer's friend....
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2006, 06:11:22 PM »
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The best would have been if Adobe had decided to open up the raw conversion part of Lightroom to external application through a plug-in/SDK approach... Imagine a "RSP for Lightroom", or better yet, a "Capture NX" for Lightroom...

I would have believed in Lightroom as a universal data Mgt platform for photographers had this been the case. Currently, I see it as yet another attemp to hold photographers captive of the Adobe line of products while killing a very dangerous competitor.

As a happy RSP Premium user sick of the poor performance of Adobe PS CS file browser, I feel frustrated that my favourite raw converter is shot down without notice like this. It is lucky that Pixmantec almost got it perfect the first time, but the lack of future support for the Nikon D3x/Canon 2ds will of course prevent us from keeping using RSP for a long time.

The upgrade path from RSP Premium to Lightroom will have to be really cheap (max 100 US$) for me to buy into this force fed strategy.

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Bernard
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2006, 06:14:40 PM »
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Lots of conjecture, but little in the way of facts.

Everyone just needs to sit back and let things unfold. The way things appear has little to do with the way that they likely are.

And if you think this is the story of the week, just stay tuned.  

Michael
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2006, 07:49:13 PM »
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Lots of conjecture, but little in the way of facts.

Everyone just needs to sit back and let things unfold. The way things appear has little to do with the way that they likely are.

And if you think this is the story of the week, just stay tuned.  :)

Michael
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Gosh, now I can't wait LOL.....but I agree about letting things unfold.

 Being a PC person, I haven't tried Lightroom yet---but I've asked for an early notification of the Win beta.  I have really liked RSP--but will go back to C1 until things settle down.  I want camera profiles (Magne/etc) for my RC---and that's just one criteria, so I'm open to what comes down the pike.
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2006, 08:00:33 PM »
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Lots of conjecture, but little in the way of facts.

Everyone just needs to sit back and let things unfold. The way things appear has little to do with the way that they likely are.

And if you think this is the story of the week, just stay tuned.   

Michael
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Michael,

I am looking forward to good news then. :-)

The conjecture written above is the direct logical consequence of the press release that Adobe put up. They might have been better up phrasing it more accurately if their intention was to hint at different future directions.

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Bernard
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2006, 09:28:13 AM »
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I'm really tired of upgrade and improvement cycles. I really don't want to learn anything new. I'd like a software Leica. I'd like one set of tools in which improvements, if made, are invisible. Maybe get a text that says, "your reds will be a little truer, but don't worry about it." We've got enough on our plates. If major tool changes came along every five years now, that'd be fine; the problem is, we're all using six different software pieces, and they're all on 18-month improvement cycles which means somebody's always trying to jam something new down our throats, when we're just trying to make some decent pictures. And if you ignore them, you're gonna be the guy floating around without support...like the RSP users a year from now. And sometimes, if you ignore them -- like with Windows security updates -- you're going to be the guy the FBI comes for, because your computer has been hijacked and you're spewing out child porn. I think a lot of people who try to be artists like the studio experience, or the darkroom experience, where they can close themselves away and just work. Photography software now DEMANDS that you be on the 'net, where anybody with an upgrade can jack into your system anytime he needs to make a buck. I don't like it.

Just a mild Monday-morning rant...

JC
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2006, 09:43:15 AM »
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Given the acquisition by Adobe of the Rawshooter Premium 'technology', described here on Adobe's web site, will the RAW conversion engine currently in RSP be used in Lightroom, or will it instead use the current ACR engine?
According to an answer from Adobe Germany customer service to a private mail, Adobe plans to integrate the Raw conversion of RawShooter into Lightroom. Here the translation:

"Pixamantec is a private company with head quarters in Kopenhagen, Denmark, and sells RawShooter® as a software for digital photography. Adobe is planning to integrate Pixmantec's technologies into Lightroom™. The product Pixmantec RawShooter Premium will be ceased. The freeware RawShooter Essentials will be still available, until the Lightroom Public Beta project has ended. Customers of Pixmantec will be supported by Adobe and be able to upgrade to Adobe products for digital image processing."

Pixmantec ist ein Privatunternehmen mit Hauptsitz in Kopenhagen,
Daenemark und vertreibt mit der RawShooter® Produktlinie eine Software
fuer digitale Fotografie. Adobe plant, Pixmantecs Technologie zur
Rohdatenbearbeitung in Lightroom™ zu integrieren. Das Produkt
Pixmantec RawShooter Premium wird eingestellt. Das kostenlose RawShooter
Essentials wird weiterhin verfuegbar sein, bis das Lightroom Public
Beta-Programm abgeschlossen ist. Kunden von Pixmantec werden Support von
Adobe erhalten und auf Adobe-Produkte fuer die digitale Bildbearbeitung
upgraden koennen.
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2006, 08:10:35 AM »
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What makes me mader than the fact that I very recently 'invested' my time and money in RSP + color engine, is the fact that even now, two days after the announcement that RSP is being discontinued, you can buy RSP from Pixmantec's site.

Talking about ethical business practices and responsible treatment of your customers.

I'm sorry but this whole thing just re-affirms my decision taken some time ago due to their business practices to try and stay away from Adobe products as much and as long as I can.

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Nikos
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2006, 09:23:17 AM »
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And if you think this is the story of the week, just stay tuned.   

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I'm still tuned...   So ?
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2006, 09:33:35 AM »
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I'm still tuned...   So ?
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I'm guessing the iView being bought by Mickeysoft story might have been the story of the week.
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2006, 10:44:51 AM »
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There are tektonic shifts happening in the industry, but not all announcements are going to be made this week. Microsoft and Iview was a significant one though.

This is like the sillyness seen last week on one of the DPReview forums where I was misquoted as saying that there was a "stunning" announcement coming. What I wrote was that the news of Adobe's purchase of Rawshooter was stunning, and that there were more announcements coming.

This got picked up by the bright lights on the forum there, twisted,  and everyone and their pet dog then had fun making fun of this.

So be it. That's the nature of those forums. Just thought I'd at least seek a bit of clarity here.

Michael
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