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« on: September 25, 2006, 08:24:24 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2006, 09:07:32 PM »
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Can someone cut thru the marketing-speak and tell me if this is somehting more than a repackaged, fully integrated version of the H2 with the Imacon back?  And why are they making such a big deal of the chip size (e.g., the new 28mm lens is described as "optimized for the 36x48 mm sensor area of the Hasselblad H3D."  Is 36x48 a new size?

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2006, 09:44:57 PM »
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i am not sure what is supposed to be new about this camera other then the name...i thought the H2D was fully integrated...and i love how they play up that 36x48mm novelty...along with Hasselblad Natural Color Solution....does that mean they finally have the yellow cast under control...or is yellow the new natural...
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2006, 10:02:25 PM »
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Looks like the new Rollei/Sinar combo and the Hasselblad H3 will be going to battle!
It should be interesting to see what comes out of that.
I do like the idea of special designed lenses for the Rollei/Sinar combo.
(Flektogon 2,8/35mm, Flektogon 2,8/50mm, Biometar 4/150mm, Biometar 2,8/150mm, and a Vario-Biometar 60-140mm)
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2006, 10:35:44 PM »
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I had been checking the hassy website for the last few days. the release is still not on their website.

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Can someone cut thru the marketing-speak and tell me if this is somehting more than a repackaged, fully integrated version of the H2 with the Imacon back?  And why are they making such a big deal of the chip size (e.g., the new 28mm lens is described as "optimized for the 36x48 mm sensor area of the Hasselblad H3D."  Is 36x48 a new size?
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2006, 10:53:25 PM »
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I had been checking the hassy website for the last few days. the release is still not on their website.
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it aways takes a while for the manufactures to add it to their websites.
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2006, 01:50:37 AM »
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Still trying to work out what is different about this camera !!

One thing I do note is..

THE NEW 28 LENS
"Please note, however, that this special lens is designed specifically for the H3D camera model and is for digital use only"

Or maybe it will go on the H1/2 but have vignetting in the 'film' area

Maybe it is so rubbish it needs all the blad software to sort it out !

THE NEW VIEWFINDER

Is 'fullframe' ie not a 645 view with a cropping mark

The view 'larger and brighter'

Surely the meant larger OR brighter or maybe it grabs some extra photons from somewhere

I cant see any more buttons that would indicate multipoint AF

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So is the summary..

The H3 is an H2 with..

A few electronic upgrades

A viewfinder that shows full frame as 36/48 (purchaseable for your H1/2)

A new 'DX style' approach to lenses that wont cover full 645
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2006, 02:10:59 AM »
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Still trying to work out what is different about this camera !!

the price tag  
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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2006, 03:28:17 AM »
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On the hasselblad pages it says the camera is avaiable as both 22 and 39mp models..good.

it says the camera has film compatability..so  the back comes off and can be replaced with film back..good but then you probably need the second prism viewfinder aswell!

it says view camera compatability...so  the digital back comes off and can be used on view cameras..good

prism and waist level finder..good

28mm lens is specifically for use with digital back not film back..so it says..not so good but it is very compact lens

sounds like a souped up version of H2 but must be more if for instance the 28mm lens can only be used on this camera, not previous versions.

will the 22mp version be upgradeable to the 39mp version?

so I know it looks the same but it does have some good features.
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2006, 03:51:34 AM »
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supposedly the H3D back can go on a view camera.

I cannot imagine though that Hasselblad would come out 6months ago with the H2D and then re-

engineer a new back for the H3D, both looking identical and one being able to fit on a view

camera and the other not.

All will be revealed in 3 days.

In the mean time I have stopped all of my postproduction, because now I can't work any longer  

on my barrel distortion with PS, knowing that the new flexcolor distortion software will come out in 3
 
days which will wip my files into shape.

Marc
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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2006, 03:52:30 AM »
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prism and waist level finder..good


I'm not so convinced about the waist level finder. It's good in that it gives wedding photographers an alternative to grass stains on their knees, but it's still a compromise.

With a 39MP back you could crop down to a 22MP vertical shot, but you're then enlarging from a 27mm x 36mm sensor, so you'll end up with a file similar to the one you'll probably get from the next generation, Canon 1Ds MkIII. Plus there'll be no cropping lines to guide you for this vertical shot, and it screws up the focal length coverage so you'll probably want to change lenses when you decide to go from horizontal to vertical format.

A revolving back, or the swivelling viewfinder that Bronica used, seem more elegant solutions to the problem of vertical framing.
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2006, 04:06:41 AM »
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Gary,

I think the waist level finder is really only a quite specific option when shooting, say slow landscape oriented shots..i.e. city scapes, landscapes, etc.

And yes a rotating back would be a pefect option..the user can then choose to rotate or simply turn whole camera if speed is of the essence.

I also feel they will be price the 22mp model quite aggresively to take some of the top end market share of dslr users from canon..why else would they bother with the 22mp model.
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2006, 04:20:54 AM »
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so you'll probably want to change lenses when you decide to go from horizontal to vertical format.
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Ignore that, I'll now write out a hundred times "think first then reply".
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2006, 04:32:23 AM »
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I also feel they will be price the 22mp model quite aggresively to take some of the top end market share of dslr users from canon..why else would they bother with the 22mp model.
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That's interesting, I use a 22MP back on a Hasselblad V system, and I'll continue to use it even when I upgrade to the next super-duper Canon. But that's because I value specific elements of the V system range, such as the non-distorting 38mm Biogon lens and the Flexbody, and therefore I'm willing to put up with the cat's cradle of cabling and lack of digital TTL flash metering that goes with the decision.

But I certainly take your point, a 22MP Hasselblad DSLR versus a 22MP Canon DSLR, when the Canon has all the advantages of image stabilisation, more lens options, better auto focus functionality, bigger ISO range etc. I'd start asking why bother?
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2006, 08:41:35 AM »
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Gary,

I think the waist level finder is really only a quite specific option when shooting, say slow landscape oriented shots..i.e. city scapes, landscapes, etc.

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I miss the waist level finder I used to carry in the case with the RZ. It is also good with fast moving landscapes shot from a low angle.  

More seriously, it was great for interiors when backed up against a wall. It gives you that extra head-width back.  

I find it had to believe still that Mamiya did not just bring out a mini RZ designed for 36 x 48 chips  with correspondiing lenses. They alreay had the market with the RZ, but they failed to convert it with digital. That rotating back was so good. I use H1 now, but everything is still set to manual just like it was with the RZ, and I still hate tipping it on its side to shoot a vertical, and if I'm backed into a corner to get the shot, changing to vertical means setting up my position again.

I think landscapes aren't the only thing shot from ground level. Its good to have (or have the option of) a versatile kit, Nikon used to offer a right anlge finder years ago (still got one somewhere).
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2006, 08:56:28 AM »
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Hasselblad just introduced waist level finder for H3D. I wonder if that would work for H1, I don't see why not.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2006, 09:05:24 AM »
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Could it be that the "Full frame sensor" is ONE complete chip as opposed to the current ones that are 2 chips joined together??? That would be good for avoiding some of the issues these new 30+MP chips are having... but I imageine it would cost more to produce.
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2006, 09:32:01 AM »
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Hasselblad just introduced waist level finder for H3D. I wonder if that would work for H1, I don't see why not.
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yes..look on the hasselblad website..it gives all the details.
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2006, 09:59:01 AM »
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Here:

http://hasselblad.com/products/h-system/h3d.aspx
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2006, 10:19:14 AM »
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Could it be that the "Full frame sensor" is ONE complete chip as opposed to the current ones that are 2 chips joined together??? That would be good for avoiding some of the issues these new 30+MP chips are having... but I imageine it would cost more to produce.
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Everything seems to indicate today that the H3D uses the same Kodak chip used in the H2D39 and Phase one P45.

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