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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2006, 03:04:07 PM »
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Wow, the specs/description of the H3D is possibly the biggest marketing hype about NOTHING I've ever read.
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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2006, 03:13:05 PM »
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Wow, the specs/description of the H3D is possibly the biggest marketing hype about NOTHING I've ever read

True enough,but at least it's not vaporware that wouldn't be deliverable for 2 years.

All they have to do to bring the H3D to market is to add a little H3D sticker to all the
H2d's that are already produced  :>))

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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2006, 03:23:45 PM »
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Everything seems to indicate today that the H3D uses the same Kodak chip used in the H2D39 and Phase one P45.

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I agree.  I wonder if this back is available for Hasselblad V system.  Does anyone know?
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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2006, 03:29:17 PM »
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If you want a Hassy 39MP back for the V system, you need the CF-39 with I-Adapter to fit the Hassy V cameras.  It's the same thing as the H2D-39 and the H3D 39MP version.  They're all the same.
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2006, 03:51:25 PM »
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If you want a Hassy 39MP back for the V system, you need the CF-39 with I-Adapter to fit the Hassy V cameras.  It's the same thing as the H2D-39 and the H3D 39MP version.  They're all the same.
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Thank you.  I appreciate your help.
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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2006, 04:31:31 PM »
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I reccon the camera has a smaller mirror and can accomodate the new 28mm lens protruding deeper into the camera body. This would account for the incompatability with all other cameras ever made.
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« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2006, 04:45:01 PM »
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If you want a Hassy 39MP back for the V system, you need the CF-39 with I-Adapter to fit the Hassy V cameras.  It's the same thing as the H2D-39 and the H3D 39MP version.  They're all the same.
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that is the most amazing thing about the announcement: this is really a 2 year old back...

the 28mm seems to have a smaller coverage, so i am sure it cannot be used with a film back (without the edges going dark of course)
mamiya is finally coming out with their 28mm and i am sure it is full frame...

the other item is the WLF which is of course only useable horizontal...

it is incredible that hasselblad now has come out with the 3rd system within 5? years (V, H1/2 and now H3) which parts cannot be interchanged...what a joke...hard to even talk about a system...
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« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2006, 06:16:21 PM »
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I reccon the camera has a smaller mirror and can accomodate the new 28mm lens protruding deeper into the camera body. This would account for the incompatability with all other cameras ever made.
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Maybe it does fit the other cameras - just vignettes on 645 film and is therefore 'out of spec'
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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2006, 11:26:34 AM »
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the hasselbad intro of the camera at photokina was due today..any news on the HD3 and new wide 28mmlens / shift options etc?

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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2006, 11:34:00 AM »
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shift options

Shift to ALPA or CAMBO or linhof

Incidentally ALPA now list thier XY as a product (rather than prototype) since kina and thier new pricelist includes a shiftable 28

Shift your position to sitting down before reading the alpa price list
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« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2006, 12:17:11 PM »
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shift options..yes I read an interview with hasselblad recently, can not find it now, where they spoke of new shift options for their cameras..perhaps I dreamt it!

alpa..being half swiss i really should but being only mortal I can not afford it.
The newer horseman swd2 looks interesting..more flexible than first version..

anyway..once the dust settles I shall post a new topic regarding shift options and super wide lenses for mf film and digital backs.
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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2006, 05:16:55 PM »
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shift options..yes I read an interview with hasselblad recently, can not find it now, where they spoke of new shift options for their cameras..perhaps I dreamt it!

alpa..being half swiss i really should but being only mortal I can not afford it.
The newer horseman swd2 looks interesting..more flexible than first version..

anyway..once the dust settles I shall post a new topic regarding shift options and super wide lenses for mf film and digital backs.
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I had an hour's interview today with the CEO of Hasselblad today - I shall report tomorrow on my blog what my impressions were. I also ran into our patron saint, Michael Reichmann, at the Hasselblad press conference, so I expect he will be doing some reporting too.

One teaser - expect a shift lnes from Hasselblad around PMA time.

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« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2006, 03:20:38 AM »
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Has anybody seen this at photokina?
A Hasselblad H as view-camera!?

http://www.pk-digital.it/Digitale/Polifemo_en.html
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« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2006, 03:37:41 AM »
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I had an hour's interview today with the CEO of Hasselblad today - I shall report tomorrow on my blog what my impressions were. I also ran into our patron saint, Michael Reichmann, at the Hasselblad press conference, so I expect he will be doing some reporting too.

One teaser - expect a shift lnes from Hasselblad around PMA time.

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A link to your blog please...
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« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2006, 06:59:18 AM »
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from this weeks bjp

"The H3D is available now although prices had not been announced as BJP went to press. Hasselblad adds that there is an H3D upgrade program available for H1D and H2D users."
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« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2006, 01:46:42 PM »
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I thought Phase used Dalsa chips. But I agree with Michael in today's blog. The closed architecture in the H3 is a retrograde step and will probably be met with professional resistance as the pros tend to chose best of class in their system components. The open approach that Sinar has adopted with its modified Rollei body is the antithesis and allows more flexibility.
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« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2006, 09:50:01 AM »
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Underlying this thread, is a lack of understanding from camera makers of the genius/engineering of Victor Hassleblad: the modular camera.  The 2000 series extended his vision.  

Here is my summary:
1. Square format means no format cropping in-camera. Cropping is for the darkroom/Photoshop.
2. Use any camera body with any lens or 'back'
3. Use any lens with any camera.
4. Choose a back to suit. 6x6, 6x4.5, 70mm (Phase, Leaf) etc.
(5.)High shutter speed flash sync.
(6.)Optimal quality (maybe top of the list)

The H3D is not a camera from the V.H., 500 series mould.  It is a lens+body+back solution.

The whole point is that a square format did not require the camera to be rotated by hand, it was an human-centric, ergonomic solution. A 500 series camera (square format) was small; it fitted the hand; it did not require rotation.  For Fashion, Weddings, and Art-reportage the 500/2000 series was hard to beat.

A squillion years ago Canon/Nikon etc realised that a rectangular format meant we; the photographers; would flip by hand between horizontal and vertical.  Their Pro cameras work OK (two sets of shutter releases etc) this way. But it is not the same.

Mamiya realised that they could match Hasselblad image quality by using a bigger imaging area (sound familiar?) with a a static body,rotating back and a larger 6x7 format.

Do I sound annoyed? Of couse I am. 60 years ago Victor Hasselbald worked out that he could have the best of both worlds.(square format/superior optics)  A few years later Mamiya (and then Fuji 680) matched expensive/prescision engineering with a bigger format and a rotating back.  Because photographers at this level need high quality, reliabiltiy, and simple (risk-free) operation nothing has changed.

High quality, square format means crop later after using a compact, hand holdable camera.  Otherwise, if the back rotates, get high quality on-site; or if the whole camera has to rotate, slow down a little/think differently. (buy 35mm)

I suspect the Rollie/Sinar/Leaf/Phase people may not have got this equation worked out: square format=compact camera; high quality rectangluar=must have rotating back.

Technology changes, human beings do not.

I know the silicon wafer/sensor dimension/yield equation, but what we are seeing ignores the job we do: making images by hand ...to sell...at a price... to people...

Peter
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« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2006, 07:50:22 PM »
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From Hasselblad email:

U.S. MSRP Pricing is as follows:

H3D-22: $26,995
H3D-39: $31,995

 
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« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2006, 04:19:57 AM »
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Could it be that the "Full frame sensor" is ONE complete chip as opposed to the current ones that are 2 chips joined together??? That would be good for avoiding some of the issues these new 30+MP chips are having... but I imageine it would cost more to produce.
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Andrew,

what leads you to believe that the current CFH39 sensor is two sensors joined
together?  i don't have the Kodak data sheet handy (it is here somewhere) but i am looking at my sensor and it is a single cut wafer bonded to the substrate.  i am not sure how one would
manufacture a multipart CCD array without a seam in the array?

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« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2006, 04:36:38 PM »
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Could it be that the "Full frame sensor" is ONE complete chip as opposed to the current ones that are 2 chips joined together???
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No sensors are made by joining together two smaller chips: the electrical contacts along all edges of a chip prevent that. And there is no new Kodak sensor; that is not what has changed with the H3D.

Perhaps there is confusion with the "multiple exposure" process needed to make very large chips. Larger sensors are made by multiple exposures onto the silicon wafer, which is roughly like etching several copies of the layout of a smaller sensor design edge to edge.

Also, Kodak's sensor has an active area slightly larger than double 24x36mm, at 36.7x49mm, and Kodak has never made a Full Frame type CCD in 24x36mm dimensions AFAIK; Kodak does make interline CCD's of that format.


P. S. According to a recent Canon white paper, immodestly entitled "Canon's Full-Frame CMOS Sensors: the Finest Tools for Digital Photography", the largest sensor that Canon can make without this multiple step process is about "1D" sized; Canon mentions maximum dimensions of 33x26mm for the region that can be etched in each exposure, just short in one direction of the 36mm needed for 35mm format.
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