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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2006, 06:48:38 PM »
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I'm trying to wrap my brain around this: the press release describes the camera as a "6 x 6 medium-format digital camera solution" but it mates to a Leaf back that is roughly 645. What am I missing?

Either way it looks interesting but I'm afraid to even ponder what it costs.
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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2006, 06:52:26 PM »
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Bob,
the digital rotates like the RZ and the Fuji GX 680!
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2006, 06:52:56 PM »
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I'm trying to wrap my brain around this: the press release describes the camera as a "6 x 6 medium-format digital camera solution" but it mates to a Leaf back that is roughly 645. What am I missing?

Either way it looks interesting but I'm afraid to even ponder what it costs.
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This seems to be a design using 6x6 lenses and viewfinder, with a rotating 645 back, to avoid turning the camera on its side. Great!
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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2006, 07:02:11 PM »
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The cost would be similar to the Hasselblad H3 and the new range of Schneider lenses,should also be comparable with the Hasselblad HC lenses.
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2006, 09:06:42 PM »
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Yup, this is the best news, and the best looking MF camera system so far.  I'm glad I held off on putting together a MF system...not that I could make up my mind on which system to go with in the first place.  
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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2006, 09:29:39 PM »
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I second that!
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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2006, 12:26:26 AM »
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Hmm, so this camera will take 3 type of lenses then

Sinar AF
new! Schneider (AF probably)
Zeiss (Rollei)

if it is a hit, there will be compatible backs from all the manufacturers? (ihope)


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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2006, 01:15:34 AM »
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It will take the Rollei mount series lenses only!
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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2006, 01:45:27 AM »
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Hmm, so this camera will take 3 type of lenses then

Sinar AF
new! Schneider (AF probably)
Zeiss (Rollei)

if it is a hit, there will be compatible backs from all the manufacturers? (ihope)
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Leaf have told me that there will be no Phase backs for this camera - I will confirm this with Rollei. The shifting of alliances in MF is strange.

I've posted yet another view of this camera on my blog
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The original photo clearly showed the AE control at the top, AF at the bottom, and metering in the middle.

Unfortunately, blogger seems to be compressing teh pictures very strongly.
Please tell me *in comments on the color blog* whether you prefer that layout, or the layout here http://edsbloggertest.blogspot.com/
I hate both of these templates , but have to stay on Blogger because of the free bandwidth.

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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2006, 01:46:31 AM »
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As quoted by Geoff Goldberg at the FM forum!


"Not really. They've been making AF medium format lenses for Rollei for a couple of years now. Started with the 80 mm, and then 50 and 150,and a 180 2.8, and even a 60-140 zoom, all autofocus.

Originally, the Rollei 6003/8 system had a wide range of Zeiss and Schneider lenses. Some of these directly were in competition with each other (both had 40mm lenses, 60 mm, etc.) Some of the Schneiders were 1/500 sec lenses, some 1/1000. Over time this simplfied, and finally a few years ago, the Zeiss lenses kind of went away, and it was all Schneider, who made really great lenses.

Then, with the advent of digital backs on the 6008 (not too common in the US), first with the Ixpress, then the Phase One bundle (DP20), and then the EMotion 22, Rollei introduced an autofocus version of the 6008. Then Schneider started making AF lenses for them.

That's what's being used in the new camera, it seems, along with some new (6) lenses from Zeiss/Jenoptik. "
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« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2006, 02:23:24 AM »
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This all sounds great. but can I use my Aptus 75 h mount back on it?
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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2006, 02:10:09 PM »
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This all sounds great. but can I use my Aptus 75 h mount back on it?
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Probably not.
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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2006, 03:12:44 PM »
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Compared to the Rollei 6008 it's tiny!

It just shows how much space was taken up by the motor drive...

To say I'm very interested in this camera is an understatement.
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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2006, 04:12:23 PM »
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Compared to the Rollei 6008 it's tiny!

It just shows how much space was taken up by the motor drive...

To say I'm very interested in this camera is an understatement.
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I agree, and am interested too!

If you don't need the motor drive for the digital back, how is Rollei selling this with film back as well? Either no motors (not likely),  the motors will be in the backs, or maybe they have found new small motors?
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« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2006, 07:19:14 PM »
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It's very obvious that that winder mechanism is in the handle/grip that also houses the battery!
On the 6000 series the battery took up a lot of space as well!
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« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2006, 07:57:29 PM »
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OK, so here's what we think we know:

(1) This camera will be a lot like the excellent Rollei 6008 in terms of functionality and ergonomics, but smaller, lighter, and more modern (although the 6008AF is pretty darn advanced itself!)

(2) Waist-level finder and (eventual?) prism finder (I can't imagine them not offering one)

(2) Any version of this camera (Huh True?) will accept the new AF Zeiss Jena lenses for the 6000 series Rolleis, AND Schneider AF lenses, which have some wicked fast maximum apertures.

(3) 6x6 image circle (meaning I can shoot square on film when I want to!), rotating 6x4.5 backs so that you don't have to turn the camera (althought urning the camera will be a lot more practical than w. the 6008, simply b/c of the body size).  It seems to be unclear whether there will be a truly rotating back (push a button and turn it), or whether it's a "remove, rotate, re-attach," which would be less attractive.  But if I'm reading the ergnomics of the camera correctly from the pics, one should be able to turn the camera vertically and handhold it without too much trouble (Edmund, your thoughts since you've actually handled it?  Also, PLEASE push them to make the back truly rotating if it isn't already)

(4) If you buy the Leaf version, it'll take the highly regarded Aptus line (this is the route I'll likely go), offering up to 39 megapixels and ISO 800.  If you want the Rollei Sinar version, it'll take the highly regarded eMotion line.

I really can't think of anything else I could ask for in a MF camera system (well, a clean ISO 3200 would be cool, but doesn't seem to be feasible with the current technology).  If this is correct (in fact, even if only MOST of it is correct), then, unless there's some bad surprise int he wings, all I need to know is (a) when can I have one and ( how much is it gonna cost me?
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« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2006, 08:55:50 PM »
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i think they should make the camera black! it looks too "toy" in the broncolor type colours. heres a preview of the black coloured version (thanks to photoshop)-


does that look better to you guys?

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« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2006, 09:22:17 PM »
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I agree, but the Leaf version already looks black:

http://edsbloggertest.blogspot.com/2006/09...mera-is-in.html

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i think they should make the camera black! it looks too "toy" in the broncolor type colours. heres a preview of the black coloured version (thanks to photoshop)-


does that look better to you guys?

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« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2006, 01:01:20 AM »
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I agree, but the Leaf version already looks black:

http://edsbloggertest.blogspot.com/2006/09...mera-is-in.html
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i noticed that after i posted this
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« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2006, 01:37:35 AM »
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Some more good news from this site: http://www.photoscala.de/node/2230

It says that the camera will take conventional film backs, Sinar digital backs and products of other companies (digital backs).

Other technical highlights: a flash sync of 1/1000th! And a mirror with reduced vibration, for use at slower shutter speeds.
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