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« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2006, 02:15:58 AM »
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William, that is about the best thing ever written on this site!
(me standing at my mac clapping)


is there any way to tell sinar to go black?
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« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2006, 03:18:33 AM »
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It's dark grey and black!
The color of the buttons I would say depends on wether it's a Rollei or Leaf or Sinar body!
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« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2006, 03:42:32 AM »
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There is a new video showing the Hy6. Seems that it will be released in a Phase One version as well.

It is an open-platform! (standing applause!) No longer will we hesitate to invest in a system by wondering how long that one manufacturer will last. If they did it right, then the system will be 100% modular, and a Leaf back with the Hy6 mount will fit on a ROllei Hy6. I really hope this is the case.

http://luminous-landscape.com/photokina/me...at-report.shtml

It is shaping up to be a battle between the Hy6, which is an open platform (woohoo!) and the Hasselblad H3D.

Hasselblad H3D will no longer work with backs other than Hass backs!

Hy6 will apparently appear not only in Leaf and Sinar versions but Phase One as well.

Rollei 6000 series has been discontinued.

Leica obviously knew about this and effectively invested in medium format digital by buying Sinar. Interesting.

I don't know where this leaves Mamiya.
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« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2006, 04:38:54 AM »
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has anyone found out about the time scale for these cameras..i.e. when they will be available?

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« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2006, 04:57:11 AM »
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It's ticked all of my boxes except two,

-can anyone say what's the tilt/shift lens options with this camera?

-I guess there's no equivalent of the Biogon 38mm in this range?
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« Reply #45 on: September 28, 2006, 05:13:42 AM »
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I do not think there are any tilt shift options announced for this camera..perhaps hartblei will make their shift and rotator lenses in the new mount..currently in mamiya and contax 645 mounts for these new mounts..but there is no guarentee of that.

I think perhaps it is best to not try to think of getting a shift or tilt shift lens directly for mf cameras and instead using one of the horseman / cambo etc options which gives both very wide lens and shift options..but of course no tilt..and at some expense.

For the full movements we still have view cameras.

As for the biogen 38mm...there is no other equivalent and as it is of course a v mount there is still much to say for going with the v system as a whole for your work if you do interiors / exteriors etc...unless of course the backs you can get for the new leaf / sinar / rollei etc can be fitted with an adapter for another system..i.e. v mount for use with the 38mm biogen lens..camera.
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« Reply #46 on: September 28, 2006, 05:19:20 AM »
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does anyone knows
- when will the camera be available
- pricing
- bundle options

 
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« Reply #47 on: September 28, 2006, 06:28:07 AM »
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Didn't Rollei have some lens shutter tilt and shift options?
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« Reply #48 on: September 28, 2006, 06:34:09 AM »
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sorry, yes.
the only one I know about is:

they have a beast of a shift lens..a 55mm F4.5 PCS S/Angulon..very expensive (currently one used for 3k!)

not sure if other tilt shift options are avaialble but hoipefully we will know more over the next few days or so.
I am surprised no one at photkina has beena ble to find out about when these cameras are hoped to be released..I think we need to know if it is a matter of weeks, months or a year away!
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« Reply #49 on: September 28, 2006, 06:45:48 AM »
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sorry, yes.
the only one I know about is:

they have a beast of a shift lens..a 55mm F4.5 PCS S/Angulon..very expensive (currently one used for 3k!)

not sure if other tilt shift options are avaialble but hoipefully we will know more over the next few days or so.
I am surprised no one at photkina has beena ble to find out about when these cameras are hoped to be released..I think we need to know if it is a matter of weeks, months or a year away!
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Well a working prototype was being freely distributed for hands-on at "Kina", so you wouldn't think it would be that long before "its on shelves". Rollei lenses are faster than HC lenses generally and quite often represent a better value for money... and I'm saying this as a H1 user for over 2 years. I like the new 28mm lens, but as a H1 user am arbitrarilly I locked out of using it?! I'm certainly not going to "buy a rebadged H1 body -i.e. the H3D" just to use this lens and so will nobody else. I am left with the impression that Hassie have shot themselves in the foot with this one - especially as their backs seem to be developing much more slowly than thoose from Phase and Leaf - even mamiya has lead on them withe ZD and future ZDII.
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« Reply #50 on: September 28, 2006, 07:01:50 AM »
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... I like the new 28mm lens, but as a H1 user am arbitrarilly I locked out of using it?! I'm certainly not going to "buy a rebadged H1 body -i.e. the H3D" just to use this lens and so will nobody else. [a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=78102\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

from this weeks bjp

"The H3D is available now although prices had not been announced as BJP went to press. Hasselblad adds that there is an H3D upgrade program available for H1D and H2D users."
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« Reply #51 on: September 28, 2006, 07:45:19 AM »
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I like the new 28mm lens, but as a H1 user am arbitrarilly I locked out of using it?!


If you've got a digital back on your H1/2 I thought you could use the new 28mm, it's just that the image circle is too small for 645 film. Or have I got this wrong?
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« Reply #52 on: September 28, 2006, 07:51:05 AM »
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I can not see why you could not use the 28mm lens on the older bodies with digital back..the lens mount is the same.

However I am pretty sure that one of the features of the new 28mm lens is the software / digital engine in the new H3D camera.

So that may mean that it can be used on the H1/2 with digital backs but without the lens correction stuff etc....or there is the upgrade to the 3 that will give you the full features of the 28mm lens.
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« Reply #53 on: September 28, 2006, 08:12:47 AM »
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However I am pretty sure that one of the features of the new 28mm lens is the software / digital engine in the new H3D camera


Good point. Has there been any commentary at Photokina as to how significant this software enhancement is?

It could be simple vignette correction as per the new Leica M8, in which case I'd rather make the adjustments myself and retain control. It could be interim level enhancements, ie distortion correction, possible to DIY but sometimes fiddly (I'd value a distortion correction module for my Hasselblad 40mm IF, especially if I've applied some lens movements with a Flexbody). Or it could be more serious corrections similar to DxO where there really aren't any DIY Photoshop options.
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« Reply #54 on: September 28, 2006, 08:27:22 AM »
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The H3D will ONLY work with Hasselblad backs. You will be totally locked into Hasselblad.
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« Reply #55 on: September 28, 2006, 08:27:56 AM »
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"The innovative communications between lens and capture unit in the Hasselblad H3D results in a new level of image quality with a higher level of detail and true sharpness. This inter-communication lays the ground for Hasselblad's Digital APO Correction (DAC) and the new Ultras-Focus functionality."
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« Reply #56 on: September 28, 2006, 08:38:32 AM »
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Sorry I got the impression that the 28MM would be "soft/firmware locked" to the H3D! Do we know wether this is the case yet or not ?1 Someone must know.
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« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2006, 08:45:10 AM »
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Sorry I got the impression that the 28MM would be "soft/firmware locked" to the H3D! Do we know wether this is the case yet or not ?1 Someone must know.
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from the hasselblad website:

"Please note, however, that this special lens is designed specifically for the H3D camera model and is for digital use only.    Consequently it is not compatible with the film magazine HM 16-32, the film magazine HMi 100 or the Converter H1.7x."

Still not clear though is it...as you say..someone must know!
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« Reply #58 on: September 28, 2006, 09:05:36 AM »
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The new Leaf AFi/Sinar/Rollei = best...camera...ever.

Is it me, or is Hasselblad trying to create a standard medium format size, called "48mm," or whatever they called it, referring to the size of most "645" chips right now?  That new lens is similar to what Canon did with their EF-S line, and what Nikon has with their DX line of lenses, am I right?
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« Reply #59 on: September 28, 2006, 09:50:31 AM »
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Is it me, or is Hasselblad trying to create a standard medium format size, called "48mm," or whatever they called it, referring to the size of most "645" chips right now?  That new lens is similar to what Canon did with their EF-S line, and what Nikon has with their DX line of lenses, am I right?
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 Actually it seems Hasselblad are creating a new standard of monopolising their own technology to the extent that even their curennt customers are forced to buy things they dont want like the H3D just to acess their latest technology/lenses.
 I cannot say how long it is till we get sesors bigger than the 48mmX, but it is probably 2 generations away, i.e. 3 years atleast.

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