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« on: September 27, 2006, 09:25:53 PM »
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I'm looking for a double-sided paper (for an Epson 2200) suitable for printing homemade calendars that people can easily write on.  I used a matte paper last year (Inkjetart's Duo-Brite Matte of some sort or other), but wasn't as happy with it as I could have been regarding the image quality (color & contrast) compared with the glossy paper I typically use for prints.  I'm looking for 13"x19" sheets (in case that matters), and would very much like to keep the price down as much as possible.

Does anyone else here do this?  Any papers you can recommend?  That one be able to write on it afterward is a necessary requirement.

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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2006, 11:00:49 PM »
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I'm looking for a double-sided paper (for an Epson 2200) suitable for printing homemade calendars that people can easily write on.  I used a matte paper last year (Inkjetart's Duo-Brite Matte of some sort or other), but wasn't as happy with it as I could have been regarding the image quality (color & contrast) compared with the glossy paper I typically use for prints.  I'm looking for 13"x19" sheets (in case that matters), and would very much like to keep the price down as much as possible.

Does anyone else here do this?  Any papers you can recommend?  That one be able to write on it afterward is a necessary requirement.

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Lisa
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I've been doing that for the last three years using Epson's Double-sided Matte paper. It doesn't seem to come in sizes larger than letter size (8.5x11"), but it is pretty cheap (B&H price is $10.95 for 50 sheets.) Since my calendars are smaller than most wall calendars, I call them "compact calendars". The matte surface is nice for writing on, and the colors come out sort of in the ballpark of Enhanced Matte, but not as accurate. They still look pretty nice, and I've had no complaints. Customers who want accurate colors or archival paper can order my individual prints.

Last year I did some searching for double-sided papers and found a few others, including some that were 13x19", but they were all much more expensive.

That's my 2 cents (but my calendars cost more than that.)    

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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2006, 11:24:27 PM »
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Lisa, you might try Premier Art Hot Press. They also have a "Scrapbook" paper - not sure what the difference is, haven't tried it.

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I've been doing that for the last three years using Epson's Double-sided Matte paper. It doesn't seem to come in sizes larger than letter size (8.5x11"), but it is pretty cheap (B&H price is $10.95 for 50 sheets.) Since my calendars are smaller than most wall calendars, I call them "compact calendars". The matte surface is nice for writing on, and the colors come out sort of in the ballpark of Enhanced Matte, but not as accurate. They still look pretty nice, and I've had no complaints. Customers who want accurate colors or archival paper can order my individual prints.

Last year I did some searching for double-sided papers and found a few others, including some that were 13x19", but they were all much more expensive.

That's my 2 cents (but my calendars cost more than that.)   

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Are you comparing Epson's Double-sided Matte and Enhanced Matte on the 2200 or some other printer? Is there a different Epson profile for the Double-sided Matte? Thanks.
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2006, 09:33:32 AM »
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I'm looking for a double-sided paper (for an Epson 2200) suitable for printing homemade calendars that people can easily write on.  I used a matte paper last year (Inkjetart's Duo-Brite Matte of some sort or other), but wasn't as happy with it as I could have been regarding the image quality (color & contrast) compared with the glossy paper I typically use for prints.  I'm looking for 13"x19" sheets (in case that matters), and would very much like to keep the price down as much as possible.

Does anyone else here do this?  Any papers you can recommend?  That one be able to write on it afterward is a necessary requirement.

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Lisa,
I successfully used Red River's Premium Matte C2S in both  50 lb and 65lb weights with the ultrachrome inks and k3 ultrachrome inks for similar uses.  With shipping the 50 lb is about $0.70 per 13 x 19 sheet and the 65 lb is about $1.25.  RR has profiles available, but IMHO they are only fair, so if you like the paper, you may want to invest in a good custom profile.  See: [a href=\"http://www.redrivercatalog.com/browse/matte.php]Red River Matte[/url]

Premier Semi Gloss and Moab (Kokopelli Studio Semi Gloss) are the only two quality near gloss double sided products that I know of and have used. They reproduce well, but they are somewhat flimsy for calendars and substantially more expensive.

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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2006, 11:14:15 AM »
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Are you comparing Epson's Double-sided Matte and Enhanced Matte on the 2200 or some other printer? Is there a different Epson profile for the Double-sided Matte? Thanks.
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Chris,

I haven't got a good profile for Double-Sided Matte on my Epson 2200, but using the profile for Epson Enhanced Matte seems to come the closest. I use MK ink, of course, and in the paper selection in the Epson driver are: Plain Paper, Enhanced Matte, Velvet Fine Art, and Water-color Paper -- Radiant White. The best of these for use with the D_S Matte seems to be the Enhanced Matte, using ICM, Relative Colorimetric, and the only profile listed: SP2200 Enhanced Matte_MK.

Someday I'll make a profile for the D-S Matte, but I haven't bothered yet, since I don't do much of this.

The colors are far from correct, but most of my calendar photos are abstracts, in which color changes aren't disastrous.

Eric
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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2006, 12:04:38 PM »
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On calendars,  where are how do you bind the finished calendar?  

I have found that Red River paper has a good solution along with a template, however as I recall they don't imply their paper will work on the 7600 series ultrachromes only the dye based.  

IMO there seems like alot of work involved since you have to use a sheet feed setup and handle each page.  But I have yet to print one.

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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2006, 03:34:53 PM »
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On calendars,  where are how do you bind the finished calendar? 

I have found that Red River paper has a good solution along with a template, however as I recall they don't imply their paper will work on the 7600 series ultrachromes only the dye based. 

IMO there seems like alot of work involved since you have to use a sheet feed setup and handle each page.  But I have yet to print one.

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It is indeed labor-intensive, and I don't bind my "Compact Calendars" at all. Here is the blurb from my website about the calendars:

   "These calendars are individually printed on my Epson 2200 inkjet printer, one page at a time. They are unbound, so you can hang a single page or the entire calendar using a thumb tack or a magnet. Each letter-size (8.5x11") sheet has two consecutive months: When January is finished, turn it over to find February. The matte surface is easy to write notes and memos on.

   "...Each of my 2007 calendars includes twelve different images for a bargain price of only $35 per hand-printed calendar."

Eric

P.S. I just learned that ImagePrint does have a profile for Epson Double-Sided Matte paper. That adds extra work, because my calendars end up as booklets in PDF format, and IP doesn't handle PDFs. Thus, I must first import the PDF into PSCS2, flatten the layers on each page (even though there is only one layer on each -- but it isn't called "background"), and save as a TIF so I can then print (one sheet at a time) using IP.

But since my printer is right next to my PC, I can read all the latest posts on the LL forum while waiting for each page to print.

Eric
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2006, 03:43:29 PM »
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Plastic comb bindings are very cheap and punches are available starting under $100.

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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2006, 03:59:33 PM »
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Plastic comb bindings are very cheap and punches are available starting under $100.

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Thanks Don. I'll look into those.

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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2006, 06:14:41 PM »
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Plastic comb bindings are very cheap and punches are available starting under $100.

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That's how I bound last year's calendars (with an additional hole punched through it for a nail to hang it).  The one minor problem is that, after you start flipping pages, it sticks out from the wall somewhat because you have pages on both sides of the solid part of the comb, but that's tolerable with a long enough nail (just not very elegant).

I'll check out all the papers you mention.  I was hoping for a glossy or semigloss double-sided paper that can be written on and is cheap, but perhaps that's too much to ask for...

Lisa
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2006, 07:27:34 PM »
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Office Depot (for example) will Spiral Bind the document for probably a buck a piece. In any color you want. I use them all the time for important "photo" books.

I have a somewhat sophisticated machine (about $250) for the plastic comb type, which I use a lot but not for documents going "out of office." The machines that do the Spiral binding start at about $1,500 used and several thousand new... I don't see one in my future.

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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2006, 08:27:02 PM »
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On calendars,  where are how do you bind the finished calendar? 

I have found that Red River paper has a good solution along with a template, however as I recall they don't imply their paper will work on the 7600 series ultrachromes only the dye based. 
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From personal experience, the Red River papers that I mentioned, Premium Matte C2S, work very well with the Ultrachromes and K3s.  RR's compatibility chart also notes the same.

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