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Ronny Nilsen
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« on: September 29, 2006, 03:13:11 AM »
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I took this image resently, and while the ligth was beautiful while I was there I wonder if the image is able to comunicate that, or if it's my memory of the morning and being there that makes me like the image?

Taking pictures of trees often ends up being messy, but I think that the fog/mist helps by hiding the rest of the forrest in this case and isolate the trees?

I'm also unsure about the exposure. Should I have taken an additional exposure for the forground and merged the images? Or is the dark foreground ok? In this image the exposure is for the highlights.

Other suggestions about what I could have done different?

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« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2006, 07:49:05 AM »
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I like the soft and subtle quality of light and color.

I might have been tempted to frame slightly to the left to move the centre rocks a bit more towards a third  (but maybe there was a gas station just to the left of the frame  and dodge the rocks a bit to lighten plus touch more contrast.
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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2006, 10:29:06 AM »
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My thoughts upon looking at it were identical to Tim's (except that I think the frame could have been moved either left or right, depending on what was going on just out of from to left and to right - anything to get the rocks to about a 1/3 point instead of right in the middle).  Another vote for all he said.  The light and mist work very well.

One more thought - it feels to me that it lacks a focal point, a point of particular interest.  If you could find a rock outcropping that was taller and more interesting in some way, that would help.

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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2006, 02:40:48 PM »
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Thanks a lot for your comments, they are really helpful.

I think you're both rigth. The image would have been better if I had framed more to the left or right, but unfortunately there where other elements (large trees closer) that would have entered the frame and clutterd the edges.  

And I guess the image is missing a better focal point than the curerent rock formation, and perhaps something in the foreground, but none was to be found there.  
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2006, 03:09:17 PM »
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My point was that if you dodged the rocks (or a masked curves adjustment) to make them a bit lighter, they will stand out more and act as a more effective focal point.
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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2006, 09:16:41 PM »
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My point was that if you dodged the rocks (or a masked curves adjustment) to make them a bit lighter, they will stand out more and act as a more effective focal point.
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Nice image indeed.

I agree that the current framing could be improved, but what would personnally drive my decision to do so would have more to do with the relationship between trees and the edge of the frame, rather than with the position of the rocks in the frame.

I feel a lack of balance in the force with the current composition when comparing the left and right edges.

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« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2006, 12:45:41 AM »
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I like this picture Ronny, but I feel it is just missing the mark mood wise. I have had a play and come up with this version. I'm no expert at these things but just to give the idea.
I've cropped both sides slightly and the bottom, removed some red from the balance, and lifted the darker areas with curves. In my mind it emphasises the misty feel and brings up the rocks a bit as Tim suggested.
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As I said not much expertise but perhaps give the idea I had.
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2006, 06:05:20 AM »
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Again, thanks a lot for your comments, they are really helpful.

Bob: I think I like your cropping, but I thing your verison is a bit to blue for me.

Tim: Using PS to partially ligthen up the rocks will probably help and I will try that (Bob example gives a good idea) when I have better time (I'm not that good with PS).

Bernard: Yes there is something wrong with the balance, but I'm struggeling to find a good cropping...

I have made a new (temporary) version in Lightroom (the first version was done with Bibble pro), and tried a new cropping and new adjustments of the colors.

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2006, 03:25:48 AM »
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I see nothing wrong with the framing & composition.  I like the image.  It does need some color correction.  This is but one possibility (more work is needed):

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2006, 03:30:19 AM »
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With some contrast correction:

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2006, 03:38:26 AM »
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With more contrast correction:

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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2006, 03:41:18 AM »
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After correction of sky color cast:

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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2006, 05:38:23 AM »
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After correction of sky color cast:
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Wow, it's amazing to see what corrections and improvements a real pro can do to a jpg image.

Thank you! I really appreciate you taking the time to show the steps in the process and your
thinking on this, I'm learning a lot from this.

All I need now is to get some skill and talent into my brain, I probably already have the same tools
(PhotoShop) availbale to me that you have, so I guess I can't buy something to match your talent.  
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2006, 02:27:08 PM »
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Wow, it's amazing to see what corrections and improvements a real pro can do to a jpg image.

Thank you! I really appreciate you taking the time to show the steps in the process and your
thinking on this, I'm learning a lot from this.

All I need now is to get some skill and talent into my brain, I probably already have the same tools
(PhotoShop) availbale to me that you have, so I guess I can't buy something to match your talent.
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Glad to help when I can and have some spare time. I basically used curves to do the corrections and some local sharpening to bring out detail and texture.  I thought that posting the several steps would show you how I proceeded through the correction.  Often I am not sure exactly what is needed until I work on the image.  Then the next thing I have to do becomes more clear. In this case the contrast (overall) was first, then the overall color balance, then the sky color balance, then the local contrast and details.

I do like your photograph, and my main concern was to not damage the delicate fog in the distance.  More contrast enhancement and it would be gone.  I actually accentuated the local contrast mostly in the foreground, fading it to none as we move towards the top of the image.
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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2007, 03:00:06 PM »
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Wow, it's amazing to see what corrections and improvements a real pro can do to a jpg image.

Thank you! I really appreciate you taking the time to show the steps in the process and your
thinking on this, I'm learning a lot from this.

All I need now is to get some skill and talent into my brain, I probably already have the same tools
(PhotoShop) availbale to me that you have, so I guess I can't buy something to match your talent. 
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I have now had some time to use PhotoShop on the image to make it look more like it felt when I took it, and this is the version I currently like best.  

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Again, thanks to all for you input.
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