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marc gerritsen
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« on: October 21, 2006, 09:03:58 PM »
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I can understand that some of you get inconvenienced by the new hasselblad route.
I am getting a bit sick and tired though of the uninformed bashing by phase and leaf chauvinism.
Before I bought my H2D39, I tested the market looked closely at files of imacon leaf and phase
and could not find any major superiority in any of these. Yes leaf was slightly better in noise. Phase might have been slightly better in speed. But overall all this was played out in the last 5%
So all these backs deliver great files with minor differences.
The big difference for me though was getting a closed system. In the same way that I would also not have liked to buy my Nikon D2X body and then have to shop around for a sensor and lenses, all from different manufacturers. And when it would come to malfuction, not to get the runaround between the different brands. Camera people say it's your back, back people saying it's your lens,
lens peoplle saying it your camera.
Also I got a great deal by buying this system, I basically got a free camera, a free lens, free extra battery, free uv filters for 2 lenses and a free release cord.  
If you are interested to see files of the H2D39 which I am sure would be identical to the H3D39 (can't wait to upgrade!) please let me know and I will show you what I mean.
I have come to buy my camera partly with the help of this forum, as you can read in my previous posts, and I hardly heard a beeb form the leaf and phase corner regarding imacon backs. Now that things have changed, imacon files get the brunt of it.
So call this Hasselblad/Imacon chauvinism, you are right, I have got a reason for it!
Marc
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2006, 09:23:38 PM »
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I agree there are some big advantages to an integrated system.

I'll be delighted to take up your offer and look at some H2D39 files. Pix of model-age females preferred,  send to edmundronald at gmail dot com via http://www.yousendit.com

Thank you.
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2006, 09:35:07 PM »
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will send jpg since 117mb tiff file is too large to send with you-send-it


cheers Marc
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2006, 09:39:14 PM »
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will send jpg since 117mb tiff file is too large to send with you-send-it
cheers Marc
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No please, Marc, what I need is Raw files - nothing else is of use to me.

Edmund
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2006, 09:45:47 PM »
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ok they are small enough
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2006, 10:10:11 PM »
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Thank you Marc !

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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2006, 10:39:41 PM »
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Marc,

grateful if I too can have a RAW from that Hassie.  I'm shopping for a MFDB system right now.

please route it for henry.h.c.goh(at)gmail(dot)com when you mail it to you-send-it

Thanks a bunch.

Henry
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2006, 10:59:37 PM »
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Hi Henry
I mostly shoot architecture and interior and have limited files of models
what do you prefer?
Marc
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2006, 12:19:28 AM »
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I mostly shoot architecture and interior and have limited files of models
what do you prefer?
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Hello Marc,

Either models or interior shots will do just fine.  I shoot both like you do.

Thanks again.

Henry
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2006, 01:14:12 AM »
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Hi Henry
it should be availabe in 35 min
Marc
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2006, 01:27:39 AM »
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Hi Marc,

The best way to counter the ongoing criticism of Hasselblad is for some users to post or make available some high quality images from the H39 backs. There have been plenty of excellent images made available from Leaf and Phase users but very, very few from the H39 backs.

I would be pleased to get one of your architectural images, preferrably in DNG file format so I can use CS2 to open it. If you can make it under 100MB, please email to me using www.yousendit.com. Enter my email as: steve (at) lightmechanics (dot) com. My application would be landscape photography so an exterior architectural image would be most useful for evaluation. If you have to size it down please just crop the image on one side only and not resample.

Thank you in advance for the offer to make images available! It will help a lot to hear and see more from satisfied Hasselblad users. I tried to join the yahoo flexframe group to get more info on the CF39 back but that group is closed to non-registered Hassy-con back owners. I prefer to get as much information as possible on these MFDBs before I take up the time of the dealers requesting hands on demos.

And BTW, thanks a bucket load to Michael for this excellent (and open) forum. Have been lurking here (and before at RG) learning a lot about MFDB.

Steve
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2006, 01:49:02 AM »
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Hi Steve
I totally agree with your thank you to Michael
As for as Dng files concerned I find them of slightly lesser quality then when processed through flexcolor, but for some reason the dng files have more dynamic range when processed through bridge.
I will send you an architectural/landscape shot as soon as I have uploaded the file for Henry
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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2006, 04:32:02 AM »
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I totally agree with your thank you to Michael
As for as Dng files concerned I find them of slightly lesser quality then when processed through flexcolor, but for some reason the dng files have more dynamic range when processed through bridge.
I will send you an architectural/landscape shot as soon as I have uploaded the file for Henry
cheers
marc
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Marc,

 If you can send me the download links for those files ? I'm still interested in seeing them. You just need to upload once to yousendit.com and then you can send a number of people the links.

Edmund
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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2006, 04:33:44 AM »
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Marc, I'd also be interested to see the model image(s). If not too late, please add me: mail (at) graham-mitchell.com

Thanks.
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2006, 04:38:06 AM »
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it should be availabe in 35 min
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Thanks Marc, got it.

Henry
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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2006, 04:46:30 AM »
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I have a feeling that when america wakes up I might get a few more requests so download to your hearts content

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http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...35520D309C584C0

dng file
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?acti...BF8246702282AE6


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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2006, 09:56:41 AM »
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Thanks Marc for the file.

Show the slightest interest in a Phase back and the sales guys are right there, helpful comments, demonstration in my own studio, technical feedback with any issue, very impressed.

Apply the same comments to Leaf and I couldn't speak more highly of that company either.  Calumet UK have been to my studio and provided an extremely comprehensive demo of the Leaf backs.

All of this gives you confidence to purchase either of these products.  I clicked on the Hasselblad site for an H3D demo twice and I have received nothing.  Not a good start but I will keep trying to get a demo.

Regards Steve
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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2006, 11:49:13 AM »
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Thanks for posting these files Marc.

It would be great if other Hasselblad DB users would post other images including some studio shots for comparison.

Using www.yousendit.com seems to work quite well for this purpose.

Steve
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2006, 11:49:23 AM »
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Same here...Phase and Leaf reps came by within a couple of days...and called right back (actually I had to call the reps from Phase again...and when I met with him I understood why...he is an arrogant prick!!)
The rep from Leaf called right back and was the most helpfull....understood my needs and provided me with answers...didn't try to force me to change my workflow and provided me with a loaner until I got my own back!!

I emailed Hasselblad..never heard back from them....I can't find any real test information and the owner of Liminous (the site where this forum is from) didn't get a Hassy to test with, while both Leaf and Phase gave him a back to test....

Leaf and Phase are both great backs...I went for the Leaf, because of the film like feel and because I didn't like the Phase rep...arrogant a-hol!!!

Hasselblad seems to be for the amateur photographer with a lot of money in his pocket...or for a doctor who want to show of that he charges his patients $500 an hour....

Ofcourse the h39d is a professional camera, but supposed to have a couple of not so professional hangups.....I have read in the few reviews available....can you enligthen us more about the camera Marc??? Because it is a great deal for so much camera!!
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2006, 12:18:30 PM »
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It is true, it is how we as photographer like the sells person and how helpful they are, it does not matter what they are selling.

When I was going to upgrade to the newer back, I really want the Aptus 75, but nobody made me any offers. I had the P25 as that time, the P25 dealer is no longer selling Phase One backs. The local Phase One dealer told me that I must of be seeing things, the P25 doses not have color cast, srew him. I got my upgrade to a P45 from a New York dealer, because they are the most helpful and help me with the color cast on my P25, they know about the color cast and up front about it. I am in CA.
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