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« on: November 10, 2006, 12:33:10 PM »
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Is there any method using an adapter that will allow one to attach a third party shift lens to a hasselblad H2 body and get it to work  manually?
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« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2006, 12:48:28 PM »
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Is there any method using an adapter that will allow one to attach a third party shift lens to a hasselblad H2 body and get it to work  manually?
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Technically you can use a PC Mutar 1.4X with CF/CFi/CFE lense attached, and of course, with an adapter for V to H mount.  But with 1.4X, the lens selection is not very much.  I still keep a PC Mutar and Hasselblad CF and FE lenses but use on Contax 645, not use often enough.
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2006, 01:25:50 PM »
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If you are using a digital back can you get the back and camera  to fire correctly with this set up?

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Technically you can use a PC Mutar 1.4X with CF/CFi/CFE lense attached, and of course, with an adapter for V to H mount.  But with 1.4X, the lens selection is not very much.  I still keep a PC Mutar and Hasselblad CF and FE lenses but use on Contax 645, not use often enough.
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2006, 09:13:48 PM »
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Is there anyone out there that has tried this?Huh

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If you are using a digital back can you get the back and camera  to fire correctly with this set up?
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« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2006, 02:14:48 AM »
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I was told that a shift lens is under developmen for the Hassy. I expect it to arrive sooner rather than later.

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« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2006, 03:02:59 AM »
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Probably for H3D only?
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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2006, 10:10:40 AM »
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I am concerned it will be for the H3D only as well.  I am not going to be happy if that is what happens. Mark



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Probably for H3D only?
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2006, 10:49:28 AM »
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I am concerned it will be for the H3D only as well.  I am not going to be happy if that is what happens. Mark
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Be prepared to be unhappy.  A T/S lens will be the "killer application" for the H3D that Hasselblad will no doubt claim can only be implemented with the software correction capabilities built into the Hasselblad software for its MFDBs.
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2006, 08:02:36 PM »
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It's not going to be easy.
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2006, 08:52:23 PM »
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It's not going to be easy.
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If I were in your shoes, I would feel the same way. However, you do have to understand from Hassleblad's standpoint, they had to do SOMETHING to get potential buyers to pay attention to their backs. I think they will succeed by offering certain capabilities---exceptional lenses and software based lens corrections--- that the other manufacturers of MFDBs cannot match.
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2006, 09:36:06 PM »
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Well does anyone have an answer to the original question??


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If I were in your shoes, I would feel the same way. However, you do have to understand from Hassleblad's standpoint, they had to do SOMETHING to get potential buyers to pay attention to their backs. I think they will succeed by offering certain capabilities---exceptional lenses and software based lens corrections--- that the other manufacturers of MFDBs cannot match.
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2006, 10:27:29 PM »
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Well does anyone have an answer to the original question??
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I've asked the NJ office a couple of times and they don't make pre-release statements.

I have no problem with Hasselblad's business decisions; I just want to be able to afford it.
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2006, 12:37:11 AM »
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Well does anyone have an answer to the original question??
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The original answer answered the original question

a CF converter, a PC Mutar and a Very wide CF lense may/should work- I dont know very expensive pile of bits

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Should your origninal question have read "what are the options for my digital back that is H2 fitting?"

If that is the case then there are many options - ALPA , Horsemane SWD 2, Cambo Wide and my current interest which is a Cambo mini wide and Nikor glass aslo many view cameras

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Using the H1/2

There may be other options revloving around the concept of getting a shift lens for a larger format like pentax 67 and getting a Pentax CF converter > CF H1 converter> H1/2. One assumes that a larger than 645 format would be required to get infinity focus with two adapers in place although Blad did buy them self enongh space for thier own adapter due to the 645ness of the H compared with the 66ness of other blads

But I think this route may be a non starter due to the fact that most of these (non blad) lenses are not leaf shutter and I think the H1 relys on the leaf shutter but I am not clear on this - I belive buried in the options list of the H1/2 there is an option for lenseless firing' does the H have an internal shutter too ?? dont know..

Nice value shifting MF lenses come from Harblei but I think they wont work due to lack of leaf shutter and suitable converters

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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2006, 12:46:53 AM »
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Sam.. Thanks for replying.  I guess what i meant was the second original question    and I actually was going to edit my last reply.
Has anybody tried the PCR mutar with a CF converter and wide CF lens.  I realize in theory it should work but I am not so sure that it is possible to fire the back, camera and lens at the same time.  
I have a rollei x act 2 view camera but was hoping there would be a way to consolidate to a single system.  Mark


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The original answer answered the original question

a CF converter, a PC Mutar and a Very wide CF lense may/should work- I dont know very expensive pile of bits

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Should your origninal question have read what are the options for my digital back that is H2 fitting

If that is the case then there are many options - ALPA , Horsemane SWD 2, Cambo Wide and my current interest which is a Cambo mini wide and Nikor glass aslo many view cameras

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Using the H1/2

There may be other options revloving around the concept of getting a shift lens for a larger format like pentax 67 and getting a Pentax CF converter > CF H1 converter> H1/2. One assumes that a larger than 645 format would be required to get infinity focus with two adapers in place although Blad did buy them self enongh space for thier own adapter due to the 645ness of the H compared with the 66ness of other blads

But I think this route may be a non starter due to the fact that most of these (non blad) lenses are not leaf shutter and I think the H1 relys on the leaf shutter but I am not clear on this - I belive buried in the options list of the H1/2 there is an option for lenseless firing' does the H have an internal shutter too ?? dont know..

Nice value shifting MF lenses come from Harblei but I think they wont work due to lack of leaf shutter and suitable converters

SMM
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2006, 01:15:53 AM »
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I have a rollei x act 2 view
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Then your question is 'can I attach and fire my H2 back on a Xaxt2'

The answer to that I dont know not being confident about the Rollie system

But in general many backs in many camera fittings operate on view cameras

For example my Emoition in H1 fitting works well with a phase one sliding back and my sinar P2 view camera

(exept there are prboblems with infinity focus with lenses wider than 47 and the 47 is at the limit of this systems convienent use in the real world - that is on the big ol' sinar)

I think the prognosis for this small camera (the Xact) is good - visit kapturegroup to see all sorts of back adapters

SMM
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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2006, 10:08:17 AM »
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Morgan.. I think you misread what I wrote. I stated i have an X Act 2 and i can fire the Leaf back on that camera.  THe issue is whether or not you can use the PC mutar to get shift on the hassy H2.  I just got a note back from Paul Claesson who is a senior technical official at Hasselblad and he stated he was not sure if it would work but has inquired at the factory and will get back to me.  I will report back. Mark  

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Then your question is 'can I attach and fire my H2 back on a Xaxt2'

The answer to that I dont know not being confident about the Rollie system

But in general many backs in many camera fittings operate on view cameras

For example my Emoition in H1 fitting works well with a phase one sliding back and my sinar P2 view camera

(exept there are prboblems with infinity focus with lenses wider than 47 and the 47 is at the limit of this systems convienent use in the real world - that is on the big ol' sinar)

I think the prognosis for this small camera (the Xact) is good - visit kapturegroup to see all sorts of back adapters

SMM
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2006, 10:57:55 AM »
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Be prepared to be unhappy. A T/S lens will be the "killer application" for the H3D that Hasselblad will no doubt claim can only be implemented with the software correction capabilities built into the Hasselblad software for its MFDBs.

To the best of my knowledge Hasselblad never promised a 28mm lens prior to the H3D. However, they did state there was a shift lens in development right from the early days of the H system. So no one can argue that they bought into the H system (using film or a non Hasselblad digital back) in expectation of the 28mm lens, but they could argue exactly that with respect to a shift lens.

The MTF charts for the 28mm indicates an absolutely stunning performance, 30mm out from the centre for example it's just in a different league compared to the existing H system 35mm lens. If lens designers can produce outstanding optics like this by relying on digital correction then it will be particularly relevant for a shift lens, where the balance between distortion and resolution is even more troublesome.

Regarding the Hasselblad V system x1.4, I've used it but in reality the resulting 56mm lens (when used with a 40mm) is a bit too long for most applications, especially with the crop factor from a digital back. Furthermore you'll have to spend a fortune for the new 40mm IF to get a V system 40mm optic that really delivers, and even though resolution is stellar the distortion from the 40mm IF is by far the worst in the entire V system.
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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2006, 01:53:56 PM »
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Hasselblad in Sweden tried to use the PC Mutar, CF C to H adapter and a CF lens on the H2.  They told me the camera would not fire. Back to the drawing board. mark


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Technically you can use a PC Mutar 1.4X with CF/CFi/CFE lense attached, and of course, with an adapter for V to H mount.  But with 1.4X, the lens selection is not very much.  I still keep a PC Mutar and Hasselblad CF and FE lenses but use on Contax 645, not use often enough.
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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2006, 10:42:49 PM »
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hartblei-zeiss shiftlenses-40,80 and 120
sorry only in german
http://www.photoscala.de/node/2255
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2006, 11:20:55 PM »
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hartblei-zeiss shiftlenses-40,80 and 120
sorry only in german
http://www.photoscala.de/node/2255
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look at the announcement below.

24 and 28mm shift-lenses for 35mm with lenses from a german supplier(schneider/rodenstock?). its fabilous. if with adaptor like pc-super-angulon-what do we need more?
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