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« on: November 11, 2006, 11:12:31 PM »
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I tested my new lens 105/210 and AFDII with my A65 back today and this is what I saw ( images attached)

I have been using the back for the last 3 weeks in studio with strobes.

The attached images were just to see if the lens worked properly...no light setup and and no light readings taken.....shot at iso 100-800 and the results were the same.

Is this the famour Leaf centerfolding issue??
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2006, 12:12:03 AM »
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Sure looks like it!
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2006, 12:25:04 AM »
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I tested my new lens 105/210 and AFDII with my A65 back today and this is what I saw ( images attached)

I have been using the back for the last 3 weeks in studio with strobes.

The attached images were just to see if the lens worked properly...no light setup and and no light readings taken.....shot at iso 100-800 and the results were the same.

Is this the famour Leaf centerfolding issue??
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Send it back to Leaf, that is a straight line, also check it with another lens and body if you have one.
Thanks Denis
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2006, 03:25:18 AM »
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Send it back to Leaf, that is a straight line, also check it with another lens and body if you have one.
Thanks Denis
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tested it with 2 other lenses...it only happens when I shoot without strobes.
One side is magenta and the other side is greenish.
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2006, 04:01:39 AM »
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tested it with 2 other lenses...it only happens when I shoot without strobes.
One side is magenta and the other side is greenish.
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Well, now we know this isn't limited to wide-angles.

Send it back to Leaf - they say they have a solution.

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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2006, 02:36:38 AM »
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Hi Nicolas,


Thanks for posting your question.

The problem is related to a bug in the software that runs within the back. We appreciate the importance of fixing this bug and are working hard to solve it with a firmware upgrade in the near future.
The problem usually happens when using high ISO. So as to ensure there is no misunderstanding you should know this problem is not the" centerfold" problem.

Best regards,

Shachar Kedem
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2006, 06:21:07 AM »
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Hi Nicolas,
Thanks for posting your question.

The problem is related to a bug in the software that runs within the back. We appreciate the importance of fixing this bug and are working hard to solve it with a firmware upgrade in the near future.
The problem usually happens when using high ISO. So as to ensure there is no misunderstanding you should know this problem is not the" centerfold" problem.

Best regards,

Shachar Kedem
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Just pass that on to your clients Nicolas, tell them not to worry because it's not the centrefold issue.
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2006, 12:36:47 PM »
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Leaf's team is working flat out to make the next product, they don't really have the time to fix the current one. Stop pestering them !


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Just pass that on to your clients Nicolas, tell them not to worry because it's not the centrefold issue.
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2006, 01:47:03 PM »
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Sounds like a bunch of BS to me from Mr Leaf.  Glad you posted this...Leaf has too many problems to be in business.
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2006, 02:52:39 PM »
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This was one BIG reason why I went with  P30 instead of A65 - software problems.

I was very keen on the Aptus 65, but did not want to be stuck with

software problems and workflow problems.

It does help that we have a very service minded Aptus dealer in Norway,

but he cannot be with be 24/7.  

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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2006, 03:44:46 PM »
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This is a great response... I am sure the customers will understand... LMAO      

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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2006, 04:58:23 PM »
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I had the same problem with my Aptus 17..

Good to hear that this is software, and a fix is coming in the near future.

The only problem seems to be that the Leaf definition of "near future" is not in sync with the rest of the world..  

It should be added that both Leaf and my local dealer have been very helpful in trying to fix my issues. Most issues do not get solved online in a forum such as this. They have come up with a lot of temporary "workarounds". It would just be good to have it all come together as the "package" I thought I bought..


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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2006, 06:39:25 PM »
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The only problem seems to be that the Leaf definition of "near future" is not in sync with the rest of the world.. 
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Maybe their front office is run by geologists: "near future" would mean within the next few millenia.    

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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2006, 07:07:02 PM »
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Sounds like a bunch of BS to me from Mr Leaf.  Glad you posted this...Leaf has too many problems to be in business.
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What really kills me is that Edmund and Doug don't even own medium format backs. So what is the point of making such inane comments?

Your statements really add nothing, say nothing and are nothing.

Edmund, I ask you, what is your agenda? Are you anti Leaf? Are you so arrogant as a PhD that you feel you have the right to stick your head into discussions of which you have no knowledge or information.

Jeez, give me a break.
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2006, 07:59:58 PM »
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Is this something the custom gain adjuster utility can correct for a short term workaround?

Even as a Phase owner, I'd still take issue with the comment about Leaf having no right to be in business, but given the tone of the comment I'm not sure it's worth the effort. If you've used a Leaf back and have worked with the files it produces, you know the answer.

Nicholas, I do hope you get this resolved soon and please keep us informed of the situation.

Best,

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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2006, 08:37:56 PM »
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What really kills me is that Edmund and Doug don't even own medium format backs. So what is the point of making such inane comments?

Your statements really add nothing, say nothing and are nothing.

Edmund, I ask you, what is your agenda? Are you anti Leaf? Are you so arrogant as a PhD that you feel you have the right to stick your head into discussions of which you have no knowledge or information.

Jeez, give me a break.
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Obviously Leaf has some issues with the 65/75 sensors and I know they are working hard on it.

You really have to meet and know the people that make this equipment to realize how much effort they put into thier product and I'm including Leaf, Phase and Hasselblad.

Still, unless you work with this equipment day in and day out and work it hard you can't really find the issues and devise the workarounds and I can promise you, all digital cameras have some issues and all digital cameras eventually require some kind workaround.

This latest episode with the Leica M8 is a good example.  NOT FOR ONE MINUTE do I think that Leica, or Michael or anyone attempted to deceive their customers or viewers.  Yes some things were missed, some things omitted, but in the end it's almost impossible to test every subject in every light source with every lens.

Yes, Leaf has had some recent issues and needs to get on top of it, but they know this better than we do and I can promise you they will get to a solution as thier customer service and willingness to stand behind thier product is very good.

Nobody should wish any company go out of business, especially one that is hard working.

I've shot the Leaf, Phase and Hasselblad and can tell you all of them are very fine tools and each one has an advantage over the other, depending on the situation.

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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2006, 08:45:37 PM »
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Nice to know that when a rep actually responds to a question in this forum that he'll be jumped on with both feet.

Very classy.
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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2006, 08:57:08 PM »
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They know theres a fault with the product but there still selling them and not telling new buyers about it untill they've already made the purchase. This is surelly a decietfull and dishonest practice. Everyone with a faulty back should be offered a full refund.
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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2006, 01:05:39 AM »
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I think the reply from the Leaf representative was intended to let us know that the issue will be easily fixed in comarison to a centre-fold issue.

Would friend Doug prefer they say nothing at all??
You take some nice pictures Doug but your comments are usually negative shite!

Even though I would wish these issues were fixed long before the product came onto the market I struggle to think of any piece of hardware or software that is perfect from the start.
At the very least Leaf have responded quickly and have made it clear that it will be fixed.

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« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2006, 02:47:49 AM »
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Obviously Leaf has some issues with the 65/75 sensors and I know they are working hard on it.

You really have to meet and know the people that make this equipment to realize how much effort they put into thier product and I'm including Leaf, Phase and Hasselblad.

Still, unless you work with this equipment day in and day out and work it hard you can't really find the issues and devise the workarounds and I can promise you, all digital cameras have some issues and all digital cameras eventually require some kind workaround.

This latest episode with the Leica M8 is a good example. 

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James is doing something smart. He is using an old school camera, the Contax, which is reliable, and an old back, the A22, which works.

The industry is now geared to pre-releasing products with the latest features.  Nobody wastes engineering resources to fix issues because the next product needs to come out. So the issues don't get fixed. Leaf's A team is on the new stuff, as in every company. The B team is not making headway.

If that camera were a car, and it left people standing on the highway as often, they'd'd be demanding a fix rather than waiting so meekly for it.

As for my Leica M8, I am attaching a picture I made with it, in Jpeg mode. Don't worry, the Raws are equally bad.  Faults are circled in black. *NOTICE THE ARTEFACT ON THE RIGHT CUSTOMER'S BACK*, the hard magenta edges at places, the magenta casts, and the strange plum coloring of the coats (IR sensitivity).  It's clear that this camera ws released way to early. WHICH IS WHAT EVERYBODY IN THE TECH INDUSTRY IS NOW DOING. Putting the A team on development, and the F team on fixing issues.

Edmund
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