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« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2005, 07:50:50 PM »
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No, I do not "jump on" opinions. I get angry when you ask for an opinion and then offer an opinion of it. I couldn't care less what you do or think of my opinions or ideas.
Howard, your notion that a photographer should not be allowed to participate in critique discussions regarding his/her photos is strange and unproductive, and certainly not shared by most of the participants here. And it's certainly rude of you to react the way you did when seberri simply thanked you for your opinion. There's no excuse for ripping anyone's head off for simply being thanked.
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« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2005, 06:09:03 AM »
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but never showing and speak is not the way
Not the way to what? Youv'e also missed the point that not showing on the internet is not the same as not showing period.

Of course I show my photos, to friends and acquaintances. I'm constantly under a lot of pressure to produce prints of my recent trip to Italy when I really want to scan Kodachromes that I took 40 years ago because I reckon they are in greater danger of deterioration than the recent digital shots which can wait.

Do you think I'm going to make a special point of getting some appealing image on the net in order to lend credence to the validity of my comments. "What I say must be right because of this marvelous photo I took that you can see here."

If that's your attitude, I could twirl you around my little finger. I could show you an appealing photo and then feed you a lot of codswallop, and you'd believe me.
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« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2005, 07:46:06 AM »
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I am not ONLY interrested in .... and i dont know Michael
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« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2005, 09:23:37 AM »
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jani i cant find any pictures on http://folk.uio.no/jani/
Try "Hobbies" and then "Photography".
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« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2005, 10:35:22 AM »
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Yes. I think both of Jani's crops work quite well.

Someone once said (who was that?) that they'd never come across an image that could not be improved with a bit of cropping.

Of course, everyone's idea of suitable cropping is slightly different. Ansel Adams would probably throw up a different result.
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« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2005, 07:38:08 AM »
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Seberri, you've made it abundantly clear that you came here fishing for ego-gratification rather than seeking guidance for ways to improve your photos. It's also become clear that you know a method for editing your posts that prevents the "edited by" tag from being displayed and have used that to whitewash some of your more inflammatory remarks. And our security concerns are well-founded. The last time hackers started messing with this site they managed to completely crash the forums. I've never said this before to anyone, but go away and don't come back.

Howard, I hereby retract my remarks chastising you for your response to seberri. I was looking at the edited versions of his posts and didn't realize they had been altered. I apologize.
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« Reply #46 on: September 09, 2005, 11:01:20 AM »
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Deleted my comment, I misunderstood the context.
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« Reply #47 on: September 09, 2005, 09:35:15 AM »
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I didn't mean to give the impression the image is plastered all over the web.

Just for fun, I went to Fred Miranda to see what a real critique was like.  This is representaive of what I found:

"Excellent photographs. They instill a real sense of peace. This is work I am sure you are very proud to show."

Now that really is helpful in understanding the art.  The images were excellant, by the way.
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« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2005, 01:04:40 PM »
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Lisa, I understand and see the benefit of your approach in many cases, but when confronted with blatant dishonesty,  someone should stand up and point out that dishonesty is not acceptable.  To do otherwise would be to condone dishonesty.

Understood.  If you go back to my previous post, I had a pargraph doing exactly that too.

Lisa
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« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2005, 03:15:17 PM »
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« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2005, 04:48:35 PM »
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"when you reply to a post , don't you need a 100% agrement [sic] or silence ?? .. I think so !"

When you ask for an opinion, am I suppose to guess what you want to hear?  I think so !  What I think is what I think.  It is neither right nor wrong.  It is just what I think.  And yes, if you don't like my solicided opinion, then either don't ask or silence.
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« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2005, 08:52:07 PM »
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I'm confused by the first page of this thread...

Reading it, it looks like Seberri has responded to Howard with some volataile comments and Howard was reacting to them. However, none of Seberri's posts contain the text that Howard quoted in his replies...

Did Seberri go back and edit his posts (though the screen does not show that he did so...) or was he sending personal emails to Howard?

Any thoughts on this Howard?

PS. I'm totally with Bob on the issue of people showing up and making trouble. Everyone is welcome, but let's keep it civil.
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« Reply #52 on: September 08, 2005, 05:41:39 AM »
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thank you for your commentars Ray .. i whish you the bests shots possible


but never showing and speak is  not the way
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« Reply #53 on: September 08, 2005, 08:00:12 AM »
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I am not ONLY interrested in .... and i dont know Michael
And you don't know me!! Huh
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« Reply #54 on: September 08, 2005, 09:30:14 AM »
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OK sberri,

"there are more subtil levels than croping and contrasting or erasing a small foliage in art"

Very true, but first you need to strip away the extra stuff so any art can be seen.  In painting, the artist has the ability to put only the elements intended in the image and to put them where he wants them.  The camera is not so forgiving, so the artist must remove the elements he does not want.  Otherwise, the image is likely to be merely a document of what the scene looked like when I was there.

When you post an image with weeds in the left foreground and low contrast clouds and poorly cropped, I think it safe to say that that is how you thought the image looked best or ought to look.

"why nearlly allways such a low level in giving opinion  ?...
a bit more salad in that hamburger will not change mac donald philosophy ...  deeper is the point"

I don't know what you are expecting.  To me, the photo as presented was not technially well done (poor contrast, and the extra garbage in the foreground) and the composition was poor.  The big black area smack in the middle with the bright left side and dark right side makes the composition look deformed.  I fail to see anything artisitic there.  It looks like another "I was there" snapshot.
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« Reply #55 on: September 08, 2005, 09:54:59 AM »
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ok jani I found the fotos on your website

yes the 2 cropped images are working for me but that's 2 other images
... the dark mountain in the middle and the light coming from the left is my main interrest + the dominance of the sky to  give a more spacial feeling

I took many fotos that morning  .... that one was with wide angle

and Jani dont put 2005 seberri please ....  i am copyextreme left :-)
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« Reply #56 on: September 09, 2005, 07:51:50 AM »
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Thank you Jonathan.  I accept.  I hope you and I can interact in a more civil manner from now on.  I certainly will try.

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I looked at  http://www.thephotographyforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3267

SAme image with quite different reactions from reviewers and seberri.  I thinks this confirms he is just trolling for compliments, not any kind of advice.
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« Reply #57 on: September 09, 2005, 10:54:40 AM »
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Lisa i am not expecting for a wow here or anywhere else, i am looking what comes that's all

if i can get a real good point to progress i never miss it

i was not insulted  ... this stupid game goes on alone
what was insulted here is only one thing  ! :  > 1000 post against < 30 .. that's a tipical reaction in the kind "mine is shorter" nearlly animal .. what the very polite Boku calls a familly

Lisa do what you think and want ...  it's a forum
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« Reply #58 on: September 09, 2005, 09:25:07 AM »
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Added info:

I looked at  http://www.thephotographyforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3267

SAme image with quite different reactions from reviewers and seberri.  I thinks this confirms he is just trolling for compliments, not any kind of advice.
How odd,

I dont get to many photographic forums, who has the time but I do use that one. Now it's either a very eerie coincidence that's it's found it's way onto the one small (at present) UK based forum I use........ or as suggested, it's plastered all over the internet.
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« Reply #59 on: September 09, 2005, 04:32:51 PM »
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what was insulted here is only one thing ! : > 1000 post against < 30 ..
This is not a site that gives 1000 responses to anything. Well, nearly anything, there may have been a handful of threads in the history of this site.

Your expectations are unreasonable, and you show a complete lack of knowledge and respect for this site.

I'm actually amazed that you've gotten so many responses at all.
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