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howard smith
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« on: September 07, 2005, 04:13:49 PM »
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Lisa and Tim, you show the value of multiple critics.  Sometimes another can express the same idea better.

I do not consider myself a "curmudgeon."  I just hate it when someone asks "what do you think?' and then says "wrong" wheen you answer.  I didn't recognize this as a quiz.
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2005, 12:17:38 AM »
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if i could remove that thread totally i shall do it certainly that's totally unconstructive and i desagree with boku it doesn't look like a familly but like a sect somehow

I am on more than 10 forum and never saw such an attitude !

Opinions are allways welcome but in any other photo forum you can see other fotos members and know in that way the real value of an opinion, any body can tell you crop here do this , do that, .... the main thing is WHO tells it
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2005, 07:35:55 AM »
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As I've already indicated, if you are only interested in criticism from renouned photographers, then send a personal email to Michael.
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2005, 06:53:27 AM »
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Most interestning thread.

Firstly, I would agree with those who feel the image might be more complete with a little trim of the left side of the frame. For my eye the edge of the frame works best at the point just by the edge of the small  folliage in the bottom corner. This leaves enough of this portion to show the recession of the hills, which if it were my shot I would darken a little to remove any competition with the light on the water.

As for the question of how worthy those suggestions are without a picture of mine here for referernce. Does it matter?

I would like to think that any opinion should be of equal worth. I agree that someone with more experience might see further into the reasons why an image affects them in one direction or another but photography should be able to talk to anyone. I would be just as happy to please my local baker with an image as I would a legend like Charlie Waite, Ansell Adams or Joe Cornish.

(btw, I should add that I actually have no idea about the photographic competenace of my local baker.  ::  )
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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2005, 10:28:52 AM »
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yes edit your comment but plz don't hack, boku doesn't like it ...
I don't think any regular here on the LL forums think that "hacking" (it's not really hacking, it's breaking in, and just immature kids do it) is okay, it's not just boku.

In my opinion, whoever performs such acts, should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law in his or her country, and pay damages to those who have expenses tidying up afterwards.

In addition, I think it's completely dishonest to edit a post afterwards without leaving any mark showing that it was actually edited. Doing such a thing means that I know that I cannot trust anything such a person writes. That person does not have a backspine.
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2005, 02:50:10 PM »
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thank you for comments and suggestions

french Alps beside Grenoble



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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2005, 03:38:43 PM »
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ok
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2005, 04:08:29 PM »
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Howard may be being a bit of a curmudgeon, but I agree with his view that the left 1/4 doesn't add to the picture (at least to me).  If you see something useful there, I'd be interested in hearing what it is.  I feel it's better balanced if the left portion is cropped off so the mountain peak is farther from the middle.

I'm not sure I'd increase the contrast.  It would decrease the misty look, and I think the misty look works well here; I hope it's a major part of why you chose this image instead of a sunny-day image of the place.

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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2005, 01:34:43 AM »
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I also think the brightish mist on the left of the photo is a major distraction which spoils the shot.

Of course, seberri makes a valid point. Why should he pay any attention to the comments of anonymous people who might sound as though they know something but whose own works might be as dull as ditch water (for all he knows).

I have no great desire to exhibit my photos, partly because I have too many things to attend to and partly because, when I do eventually get myself organised with perhaps my own website, I'd be more interested in selling my photos than receiving praise or criticism. (Hey! and even partly because I'm such a modest guy  ).

Words are cheap. The proof of the pudding is in the purchase of the photo. In any case, the chief reason for my interest in Photography is that I find it an interesting and satisfying challenge. Selling my photos is another challenge which I haven't tackled much yet, and that challenge may well prove to be not nearly as satisfying.
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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2005, 04:03:48 AM »
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i dont say you are idiot, the discussion is going in the wrong way

I post allways my fotos in > 10 forums (fredmiranda, photo.net, phototakers,......)

I got more than 100 opinions .. and here 4 or 5

for a few opinion  i could see WHO speaks .. that's the main thing for me

to sell ? just have a look to a shop with postcard you will see   90% of full catastrophy

the point is not to sell or not for me but to learn
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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2005, 07:19:22 AM »
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Ray I am not up in arm at all, and the question once more is not the critic but who critic and the value of that critic .... croping left side here is a nonsense

i told you that i allways put my pictures in different place to see


another point .... there are 2 things  :
> the foto itself and the technique of taking (and making) pictures
> and art, philosophy

i am here for the 1 one
so many commentars are so poor (nearlly all) for the second point


thank you for your time so precious (money certainly)
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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2005, 08:28:28 AM »
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howard I agree with you on many points

i am not at all  a studiant too,  and  have done many drawings and painting exhibitions in my life ...  i know art from Lascaux to  now
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i have started foto with digital and get my first reflex (20D) this year in january, that's a new technic for me (not adobe or corel)

the problem is that most of (digital) fotographers on internet have a zero level in art .. knowing just van gogh and picasso, and  Hary Potter or the Hobbits for philosophy ....
i am not waiting for that kind of opinions

here the left side and the mist works just fine
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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2005, 12:32:48 PM »
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seberri's posts have been edited.  Once again, seberri, I ask you, did you edit your posts and, if so, why?
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2005, 07:08:36 AM »
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Obviously Hacking - but how?
Well, Ikonboard hasn't been updated since late 2004, and the version used on this site (according to the footer) -- dated early 2003 -- has a known vulnerability, but IIRC, that vulnerability has been patched here.

However, it's entirely possible that software that's not been updated in three quarters of a year has a bunch of security vulnerabilities that haven't been patched.

phpBB is perhaps the best evidence of something similar.

All the security issues with bulletin board software leads me to suspect that the programmers don't understand the concepts of basic web programming security. Unfortunately for those using this software, there are many people without honorable intentions who do understand.
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2005, 09:55:07 AM »
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yes edit your comment but plz don't hack, boku doesn't like it ...
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2005, 11:36:34 AM »
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In light of seberri's actions, why would any regular participant in this forum give seberri the time of day?

I have a "do-gooder" compulsion sometimes to try to explain what caused a "communication error" type of problem and get everyone to realize that things have spiraled out of control due to misinterpretation and oversensitivity, and convince them to sit down, calm down, and start over from scratch nicely.  More often than not, though, someone's just plain being a jerk and it doesn't work.  One can always be optimistic that maybe someday it will work...  :p

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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2005, 03:06:11 PM »
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The left side is bland and adds nothing. I would crop it off.

I would also try to increase the contrast in the clouds and sky.
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« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2005, 04:05:09 PM »
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I'm with Howard on this.  Crop the left (by that I mean the shot could have been more effectively composed at the time of capture with different framing).  

Why?  Because the lightness of the mist and left horizon is fighting with the river as a place for the eye to land.  Sometimes this kind of tension is useful, not here (IMHO).
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« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2005, 05:43:33 PM »
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after 1138 posts  it's bed time for you  i think ? no ?

you'r  on so many topics here and never show a single foto ... no link nowhere for a gallery !!!  ... as you say : WOW !!!

an opinion is allways welcome  from someone ... never from a ghost , and someone here means  : able or courageous enough to show  photos .. are you ?
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« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2005, 10:34:24 PM »
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1. I agree with Boku.

2. Seberri's posts have been edited.  I may be wrong, but unless someone hacked this site, then I assume that Seberrri edited his posts.  Seberri, did you edit your posts and, if so, why?
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