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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2006, 10:54:34 PM »
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'd planned on getting an Ipf 5000 before the end of the year, but have been concerned because its additional 6" width would cramp my fixed & limited workspace.  So I hope Michael can offer a review soon - nobody is in a better position to compare 3800 & Ipf 5000.

This doesn't directly answer your question, but I have put a comparison table showing the Canon IPF5000, Epson 3800 and Epson 4800 on the unofficial Canon IPF5000 Wiki:

http://www.canonipf5000.wikispaces.com

Look under the FAQ.

Of course, I don't have a 3800 to compare, but many of the specs are known, and the inkset is the same as the 4800.  There are some "Unknown" in the 3800 column, but still a good comparison.

PS I bought the IPF5000.

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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2006, 12:15:35 AM »
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While I do agree that it's likely Epson has something bigger and better in store (possibly just around the corner), I don't think that means the 3800 will be short-lived. My guess is that when/if Epson comes out with a new inkset and corresponding printers, they will be targeted squarely at the pro market and priced accordingly; ie the 17" model will be priced more along the lines of the Canon/HP models, not the 3800. My guess is whatever new technology they come out with won't "trickle down" to the price level of the 3800 until they either feel they can do so without hurting sales of the pro models or feel they have to respond to something from the competition.
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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2006, 11:15:18 AM »
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Thank you, John.  Nice site!  The remaining quetion is whether 3800 driver can be used with Mac G4, or only with G5.  

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« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2006, 11:59:29 AM »
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Thank you, John.  Nice site!  The remaining quetion is whether 3800 driver can be used with Mac G4, or only with G5. 

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The (now-discontinued) Mac G4 and G5 processors are both of the same processor family.  The current Macs use Intel processors, a different family altogether.  The "universal binary" references you'll see in various programs refers to the program's ability to run natively (i.e. without on-the-fly processor translation) on either a G4/G5 processor or an Intel processor.

Bottom line:  Don't worry about the Epson drivers.  They're compatible with either G or Intel Macs.
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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2006, 11:58:04 PM »
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While I do agree that it's likely Epson has something bigger and better in store (possibly just around the corner), I don't think that means the 3800 will be short-lived. My guess is that when/if Epson comes out with a new inkset and corresponding printers, they will be targeted squarely at the pro market and priced accordingly; ie the 17" model will be priced more along the lines of the Canon/HP models, not the 3800. My guess is whatever new technology they come out with won't "trickle down" to the price level of the 3800 until they either feel they can do so without hurting sales of the pro models or feel they have to respond to something from the competition.
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I agree.  The 4000/4800 change was largely (totally?) an inkset change---the 8 ink printer remained an 8 ink printer.

The 3800 is different, creating a new class of printer; low end pro, 9 inks with an 8 ink head, sharing inks with the 2400 (and likely with its replacement).  In fact, it seems like the 3800 could marginalize or even kill the 4800.  I simply don't believe that is Epson's plan.

At the high end, the replacements for the 4800 and up will get a new inkset (no more black switching, add some colors, maybe glop, etc.), new heads, and will aim to exceed the new high-end HPs.  This differentiates the 3800 and the 4800 replacement, making the 4800 replacement relevant and competitive again.

I expect that the short-lived printers today are the 4800 and up, not the 3800.
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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2006, 06:47:52 AM »
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The specs for system requirements for Mac say "OSX 10.4.7 or higher (universal binary)." Does this mean the driver was written for, & only for, new G5 Macs? If so, amazingly dumb - a straight shot to the foot?
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« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2006, 06:58:19 AM »
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BTW, I'm assuming you've seen InkJetArt's report on the few hours they had to spend with a 3800 recently:

http://www.inkjetart.com/3800/report/index.html

It's obviously not comprehensive, given that they had limited time, but good reading anyways.

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I read the link- good info, but where it shows screen shots of media types, and you are using non- Epson papers, they do not make any suggestions for what to select for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag, Crane Museo Silver Rag or Innova F-Type FibaPrint Gloss Ultra Smooth? Any suggestions on how to figure out what to select? When I make my own custom profiles, I guess I should be selecting a media type somewhat similar to what I am actually printing the target on.
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« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2006, 08:03:54 AM »
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I read the link- good info, but where it shows screen shots of media types, and you are using non- Epson papers, they do not make any suggestions for what to select for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag, Crane Museo Silver Rag or Innova F-Type FibaPrint Gloss Ultra Smooth? Any suggestions on how to figure out what to select? When I make my own custom profiles, I guess I should be selecting a media type somewhat similar to what I am actually printing the target on.
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I would start with the paper mfgs. pages, i.e.,  [a href=\"http://www.hahnemuehle.com/site/us/1014/epson.html]http://www.hahnemuehle.com/site/us/1014/epson.html[/url]  with handling instructions and profiles for all the pigment printers available now (3800 not included but the handling instructions should be general enough for the 2400 and 4800 that would give you what they consider the correct media choices).  Here is the Innova  http://www.anwcrestwood.com/innova/innova_icc.cfm  and the
Museo  http://www.crane.com/museo/profiles.aspx


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« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2006, 08:44:55 AM »
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I expect that the short-lived printers today are the 4800 and up, not the 3800.
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The reason I kept my 4600 when the 4800 was introduced was because it seemed too small a step forward, with the old problems of two blacks that were not useable simulltaneously.  We also have a 4000 precisely because two blacks can be used at once.

The 3800 has both blacks loaded simutaneously and they switch automatically with almost no ink loss, a big step forward.  Problem is, try as I may, and apart from monochrome, I have concluded that I seriously dislike matte inkjet prints from the Epsons unless under glass. I have pretended otherwise for the last 3 years but its no good, I can't deal with the limitations any more.  The low dmax matte Epson thing is dead for me, along with the whole gamut (sic) of pretentious pseudo-art papers that are nothing of the kind.  OK, I exaggerate a bit, but you get the drift...

So I want top quality glossy or semigloss with ZERO bronzing, a bit like a cheap Canon Selphy dye sub printer manages for 40.  Can a 3800 do that?  I doubt it.

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« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2006, 08:53:51 AM »
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I would start with the paper mfgs. pages, i.e.,  http://www.hahnemuehle.com/site/us/1014/epson.html  with handling instructions and profiles for all the pigment printers available now (3800 not included but the handling instructions should be general enough for the 2400 and 4800 that would give you what they consider the correct media choices).  Here is the Innova  http://www.anwcrestwood.com/innova/innova_icc.cfm  and the
Museo  http://www.crane.com/museo/profiles.aspx
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Thanks!

I read the PDF's, and they recommend as follows:

Innova Fibaprint recommends the Epson Ultra Smooth Fine Art media setting, so you will be running Matte Black ink.

Hahnemuhle PhotoRag recommends the Epson Velvet Fine Art or Watercolor media setting, so this looks like Matte Black ink also.

Crane Museo Silver Rag recommends Epson Premuim Semi-Gloss or Premium Lusture media setting, so you will be running Photo Black ink.
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« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2006, 08:19:08 AM »
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There is no arrival at 'This is it' and there never will be.
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The best printer is the one that fits in your office, does what you need it to do today, can be delivered in a timely manner within your budget, can be ramped up and fiqured out with a minimum of effort, and allows you to have access to a large experienced user base through on-line tech forums.

IMO, the Epson 3800 meets all these requirements. Not soley because I have been a loyal Epson user for over eight years, it is also that I just do not have the time to learn all the ins and outs of another companies print driver and paper/ink characteristics.
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« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2006, 08:46:52 AM »
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The best printer is the one that fits in your office, does what you need it to do today, can be delivered in a timely manner within your budget, can be ramped up and fiqured out with a minimum of effort, and allows you to have access to a large experienced user base through on-line tech forums.

IMO, the Epson 3800 meets all these requirements. Not soley because I have been a loyal Epson user for over eight years, it is also that I just do not have the time to learn all the ins and outs of another companies print driver and paper/ink characteristics.
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My take too.
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