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louispang
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« on: November 24, 2006, 10:53:26 AM »
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Hi,

I would like to sell some of my fine art prints printed on cotton rag papers. So I debating on whether I should spray it with Premier Art Print Shield or coat it water-based coating like Glamour™ II by Breathing Color.

The common argument against spraying is the toxic fumes from the spray. Is there any issue with water-based coat like Glamour II?

The rationale behind spray or coating is to give extra protection the print, avoiding finger printing or smudging in case anyone touches it with wet fingers. Any thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2006, 02:23:06 PM »
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Hi,

I would like to sell some of my fine art prints printed on cotton rag papers. So I debating on whether I should spray it with Premier Art Print Shield or coat it water-based coating like Glamour™ II by Breathing Color.

The common argument against spraying is the toxic fumes from the spray. Is there any issue with water-based coat like Glamour II?

The rationale behind spray or coating is to give extra protection the print, avoiding finger printing or smudging in case anyone touches it with wet fingers. Any thoughts?
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Wouldn't worry too much about toxic fumes given the diversity of things much more likely to kill you sooner (like driving a car.) Just don't seal yourself in a small room and spray away.

I spray my photos, both matte and (especially) glossy, with Premier Art spray both for protection and for a reduction in gloss differential and bronzing. I think it kicks up the depth of the blacks a bit, but that's a subjective statement rather than a proven fact.
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2006, 05:08:55 PM »
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I also recommend Premier Art Print Shield.  I don't present my prints under glass so this affords some measure of protection.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2006, 05:31:31 AM »
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Early on I used a product labelled "Known to cause birth defects in the State of California"
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Since I'mnear Melbourne , Australia. I sprayed with impunity.
I now use Premier Art Print Shield which gets the thumbs up from Wilhelm. It smells toxic but I do the mask thing, hold my breath  and spray outside if the air is still. I see no trace of it's presence , the papers retain their original characteristics.
I note that Henry Wilhelm rates the newer Premier Art Eco Print Sheild higher on the same substrate than the  non-Eco version for the Epson 3800. This is a water based product as is Breathing Color Gamour which has not been tested by Wilhelm. It (the Eco stuff) does not seem to be available here yet, but I wonder if anyone has experience of it's use on fine art matte and luster  papers.
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Brian,
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2006, 07:00:40 AM »
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Brian

I've been using the Print Shield Eco on canvas for about 12 months. I've been buying it locally here in Perth, Western Australia, so I'd be very surprised if it wasn't available in Melbourne.

I'm very happy with the job it does on canvas, but haven't tried it on paper.

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Frank
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2006, 09:35:41 AM »
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Early on I used a product labelled "Known to cause birth defects in the State of California"
 or similar.
Since I'mnear Melbourne , Australia. I sprayed with impunity.
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A lot of weird things go on in the state of California!

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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2006, 10:12:49 AM »
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Hi,

I would like to sell some of my fine art prints printed on cotton rag papers. So I debating on whether I should spray it with Premier Art Print Shield or coat it water-based coating like Glamour™ II by Breathing Color.

The common argument against spraying is the toxic fumes from the spray. Is there any issue with water-based coat like Glamour II?

The rationale behind spray or coating is to give extra protection the print, avoiding finger printing or smudging in case anyone touches it with wet fingers. Any thoughts?
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If you are going to print on canvas, then use the Premier water based EcoShield. If you are printing on cotton rag papers, then use the Premier ArtShield spray. Just minimize the breathing of the solvents by doing so in a well ventalated area.

However, if you are going to mat and frame your prints, why spray at all? Use conservation glass instead of plain glass. It cost less than a can of spray. Also, in test I have done with ArtShield spray, I can see a very slight graying of the blacks on the Hahnemuhle fine art papers. Because I want the darkest blacks possible, I have opted not to spray my prints that are destine for framing.

Gene
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2006, 10:38:00 AM »
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Has anyone had any bad experiences with Lumijet Imageshield?  I've started to use it on the Hahnemuhle FAP to hide slight surface anomalies which it seems to do well.  Thanks, Jim
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2006, 08:27:42 AM »
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I'm a painter and also a photographer and you should be extremely concerned about the toxicity of the spray- it is nasty stuff and is very harmful. Try to avoid it at all costs, if you do use it make sure you have a properly functioning respirator. You can get them at a good art supply store or home depot. Also make sure if you can't spray outdoors, make sure that the smell doesn't get inside and travel around the house- it can harm others especially children and older people.  





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Hi,

I would like to sell some of my fine art prints printed on cotton rag papers. So I debating on whether I should spray it with Premier Art Print Shield or coat it water-based coating like Glamour™ II by Breathing Color.

The common argument against spraying is the toxic fumes from the spray. Is there any issue with water-based coat like Glamour II?

The rationale behind spray or coating is to give extra protection the print, avoiding finger printing or smudging in case anyone touches it with wet fingers. Any thoughts?
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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2006, 12:12:35 PM »
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I've started laminating some of the prints from my Epson 2100 to get a decent gloss finish and kick up the blacks.

Visually it works extremely well but I wouldn't do it on anything critical that I wanted to keep for more than a few years because I just don't know the long term effects.

It'll be interesting to find out though.
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2006, 12:29:25 PM »
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I've laminated many matte-finish Epson prints, which gives them the look and DMAX of glossy. The main thing is to let the print dry thoroughly (at least 24 hours at normal room temperature/humidity, longer if colder/more humid) before lamination, or the lamination may not stick well. Longevity is at least as good as unlaminated prints, and laminated prints survive handling and spills much better.
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2006, 04:50:20 AM »
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Early on I used a product labelled "Known to cause birth defects in the State of California"
 or similar.
Since I'mnear Melbourne , Australia. I sprayed with impunity.

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Just picked up my 5000 today and two cans of spray, if you don't hear from me in a couple of days please send help to the shed...  

Ps. didn't Vegemite just get banned in the States or something ?
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