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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2007, 04:14:53 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2007, 06:39:27 AM »
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First: I'm not full time pro in terms of earning money, I still have a day job...
DB is what i think is right route for me, altough for now I can't afford it.
If I could afford Db in period of 8-12 months I would go with phase one P30, some forum members got theirs for under 15.000 us$ I belive (hope) price will go down few grands in that period, alternately i wouldn't go bellow 22mpx


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Your post is very interesting, can I ask what your experience is, I'm guessing it would be a lot more than mine.
I was thinking that one advantage of going to MF is you could add a digital back later down the line when they are in my price range, makes the system interesting in terms of future upgrades, as new back technology comes out you can apply it and not have to change the entire body. I just wonder if in a years time what type of digital back you would get for the price of a used 1Ds MKIIs or 1Ds MKIII (if such a thing exists at the time!).
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2007, 01:16:37 PM »
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Jonathan I think you have a good sense of humor posting an Army Career Opportunities link at this forum. 
I'm a medic in the US Army, so it's not like I'm recommending anything I'm not doing myself. I've been to Iraq, mostly the Ramadi area, and am currently stationed in Germany. The "My Army Experience" link in my sig goes to my online journal, which chronicles my entire stay in the Army so far.
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Jonathan I think you have a good sense of humor posting an Army Career Opportunities link at this forum. 
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Whatever one thinks of the reasons the U.S. Army is involved in Iraq, what Jonathan signed up for is saving lives, not taking them. For that he has my thanks and admiration.

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« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2007, 04:57:25 PM »
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Relax, Torben. It's a hyperlink, not a grenade pin. Clicking it won't get you redacted to Gitmo or anything.

Anyway, the US Army is not recruiting foreign nationals, sorry. Check with CIA for openings if you're interested.
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« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2007, 05:56:48 PM »
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thanks for the link torben.
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« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2007, 11:55:25 PM »
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Back to the initial topic, I am in the process of putting together a small exhibit these days.

That involves handling files from varous sources including MF film (645), LF film (4x5), DSLR (D100, Kodak SLRn, D2x) and MF digital (Mamiya ZD).

In the bunch, the files that are the easiest to deal with are the D2x files, followed by LF and Mamiya ZD.

I do all the scans on an Imacon, which is not best in class, but not that bad either.

MF film (Hassy H1) is clearly behind the D2x both on screen and in prints IMHO. Unless you are looking for a specific look that would be faster to achieve with film I think that 645 will have little value over a high end dSLR besides the initial price.

6x7/6x9/6x12 are a different story and I second the advice about using a Horseman film holder on a cheap 4x5 camera. Be aware that you will loose some convenience in terms of framing (not all the GG have default markings for 120 rolls) and convenience compared to native 4x5 sheets. Shooting autonomy will on the other hand be in a different league.

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I'm thinking of moving to medium format film from DSLR for landscape work and wonder if I'm mad even thinking of it.
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« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2007, 12:41:29 PM »
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Yes, you are totally mad!    
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« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2007, 12:43:01 PM »
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Anyway, the US Army is not recruiting foreign nationals, sorry. Check with CIA for openings if you're interested.

That isn't true, at least in the sense that foreign nationals do make up a small (maybe 1-2%) but noticeable part of active-duty forces. The NCO in charge of the aid station while I was in Iraq is Filipino, and got his citizenship through the Army. The sergeant-major of my battalion is a Brit who served in the SAS before enlisting in the US Army, and there is another British infantry guy who was in some of the classes I took just before going downrange. They even have commercials on AFN (armed forces network) explaining how non-US citizens in the military can apply for US citizenship through the military. Now back to our regularly scheduled photo discussion...
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« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2007, 02:11:42 PM »
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Back to the initial topic, I am in the process of putting together a small exhibit these days.

That involves handling files from varous sources including MF film (645), LF film (4x5), DSLR (D100, Kodak SLRn, D2x) and MF digital (Mamiya ZD).

In the bunch, the files that are the easiest to deal with are the D2x files, followed by LF and Mamiya ZD.

I do all the scans on an Imacon, which is not best in class, but not that bad either.

MF film (Hassy H1) is clearly behind the D2x both on screen and in prints IMHO. Unless you are looking for a specific look that would be faster to achieve with film I think that 645 will have little value over a high end dSLR besides the initial price.

6x7/6x9/6x12 are a different story and I second the advice about using a Horseman film holder on a cheap 4x5 camera. Be aware that you will loose some convenience in terms of framing (not all the GG have default markings for 120 rolls) and convenience compared to native 4x5 sheets. Shooting autonomy will on the other hand be in a different league.

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Bernard, what size prints are you talking about here..as in my experience of 1dsmk2 etc versus mf (hasselblad and contax) as soon as you get a print size over 20x16 the mf film produces a much better print in tems of shadow  /highlight detail, natural details, image detail especially in distant parts of photos..below that I too see no usable differences..on the other stuff I do agree which is why I have sold my mf slr and now shoot either dslr or 69/612 roll film (+54) on an ebony.
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« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2007, 07:55:18 PM »
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Bernard, what size prints are you talking about here..as in my experience of 1dsmk2 etc versus mf (hasselblad and contax) as soon as you get a print size over 20x16 the mf film produces a much better print in tems of shadow  /highlight detail, natural details, image detail especially in distant parts of photos..below that I too see no usable differences..on the other stuff I do agree which is why I have sold my mf slr and now shoot either dslr or 69/612 roll film (+54) on an ebony.
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I am talking about prints about 20x16 indeed.

Things could be different a large sizes.

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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2007, 10:55:02 AM »
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Thanks for everyone replying, I've decided to stick with the DSLR world, I ordered a Canon 5D off Canon's UK outlet on Ebay. Plan is to also sell the 20D and get a 1D MKIIn from the same source as the 5D.
The small size of the 5D will also be useful for fun stuff with friends etc.

I got the impression changing to film would not make any difference to my landscape photography and it is more up to me to slow down and take more care. I also need to get out more and take photos as seeing what I did wrong and improving on these mistakes so that I have more quality than quantity. For that digital has an advantage over film.

Going to 6x7 or a digital back will have to wait.

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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2007, 12:47:26 PM »
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Thanks for everyone replying, I've decided to stick with the DSLR world, I ordered a Canon 5D off Canon's UK outlet on Ebay. Plan is to also sell the 20D and get a 1D MKIIn from the same source as the 5D.
The small size of the 5D will also be useful for fun stuff with friends etc.

I got the impression changing to film would not make any difference to my landscape photography and it is more up to me to slow down and take more care. I also need to get out more and take photos as seeing what I did wrong and improving on these mistakes so that I have more quality than quantity. For that digital has an advantage over film.

Going to 6x7 or a digital back will have to wait.

John
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John. You may find very useful - if you haven't already been here - to look at some of the excellent work done by landscape photographers at the NatureScapes website and forum.
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I would also recommend looking into careful use of HDR photography.
There are some amazing results from HDR with 35mm digital shown there.
Best of luck.
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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2007, 04:30:11 PM »
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If I didnt have a back and was looking for quality I would experiment with stitching multiple images from your DSLR

Preferable using an MF or LF lense either on a view camera (cambo and horseman do them DSLR ready) but Iwould opt for bodging my own out of a chaep 54 camera and a lense cap glued on the back to hold the body

Or by using a shift adapter like those made by Zork

No scanning but lots more quality and the option for lense movements

and it will slow you down (!)

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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2007, 07:08:50 PM »
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From what I've seen and read film medium format and a 5D/1Ds are pretty close (but don't know how my flatbed scanner will compare to a drum scan).

I have recently gone the other direction after 30 years of shooting film and for the last few years doing much of my own scanning. All of my work has been 4x5 for exhibits and 6x9 for commercial. I was looking at the Canons to replace the 6x9 film. I spend far too much time scanning (30+ hours a week) with first a 4870, then a 4990, a 750 Pro and a Nikon 8000 (anda Microtek 1800F). After four months with the Canons, I think........

The Canons will be very close in terms of resolution to the 645 film (but not approach 4x5), but with no grain, a huge advantage which will give the Canons the effective edge. A 4870 will not come close to a good drum scan, but it may be good enough for your purposes. It was good enough for much of my commercial work except for "problem" transparencies and larger prints, thought the 4990 and 750 are slightly better (particularly with wet scans). I personally am thankful to have cut my scanning down by 2/3rds by shooting much of nmy commercial work with the Canon. Scanning is very tedious.
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Thanks for everyone replying, I've decided to stick with the DSLR world, I ordered a Canon 5D off Canon's UK outlet on Ebay. Plan is to also sell the 20D and get a 1D MKIIn from the same source as the 5D.
The small size of the 5D will also be useful for fun stuff with friends etc.

I got the impression changing to film would not make any difference to my landscape photography and it is more up to me to slow down and take more care. I also need to get out more and take photos as seeing what I did wrong and improving on these mistakes so that I have more quality than quantity. For that digital has an advantage over film.

Going to 6x7 or a digital back will have to wait.

John
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You said you could afford a digital back in a year?   I can't see the point getting the 5D now.  Canon will launch their new model this year. Tha 5d's price will drop ( specially on Ebay) and rolley is launching the hy6 (the digital backs will cost less too) but anyway... good luck!  

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« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2007, 01:06:32 PM »
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I could afford a digital back only if they would drop in price to something around the current price of a 5D to 1DMKII (and even then who knows how the money is in a year's time).

I also had to consider the cost of film unitl I could go digital with a MF setup, and import/VAT on the camera if I got it from the USA (e.g. used equipment from B&H).

I got the 5D from the Canon outlet on Ebay.co.uk. I've delt with them before and not had any problems, it cost £300 less than you would pay for it new but comes with a 1 year warranty, it could be a demo with no use or maybe a returned item that had a fault fixed, I'll see when I pick it up at the weekend.

The plan is to now sell the 20D and get a used 1D MKII(n), that will be for high speed stuff, while the 5D for landscapes etc. An advantage of the 5D is I can also use it for a light weight set up when I don't want the weight or attention you would get with a 1 series or MF.

I could wait until PMA, and then maybe end up waiting until I could afford the new gear, but I want to take pictures, not be looking through websites. Who knows I could still end up with a MF set in the future, but for now I can't wait for 5D to arrive, with my 20D still away for repair it is nearly 3 months since I last took some photos.

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You said you could afford a digital back in a year?   I can't see the point getting the 5D now.  Canon will launch their new model this year. Tha 5d's price will drop ( specially on Ebay) and rolley is launching the hy6 (the digital backs will cost less too) but anyway... good luck!  

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