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« on: February 01, 2007, 04:06:19 PM »
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Hawk Mountain has four different papers available in 17x25 cut sheets.

http://www.hawkmtnartpapers.com:80/size.htm

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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2007, 04:42:14 PM »
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What uses 17x25 cut sheets?  I just measured my 4800's paper tray and it appears to be about an inch short, which makes sense as it's only spec'd for 17x22.  I sure would like to be able to use these (InkjetArt is bringing in a bunch of their papers in 17x25 also), but it looks like it'll take hand feeding or some other sort of kludge to do it.

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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2007, 05:31:05 PM »
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17 x 25 is closer to a full frame Canon DSLR than 17 x 22 paper is.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2007, 06:15:27 PM »
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35mm enlarged full frame is 16x24 so 17x25 paper is perfect for a scanned slide or full frame DSLR. The 3800 doesn't have roll support but will handle up to 37.4" sheeets so the 17x25 is perfect for us 5D or 1DS shooters.

Another option is cutting 17" roll paper to size as needed. See this thread:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat...thread=21575361

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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2007, 06:57:53 PM »
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Doesn't even have to be full frame. Any 3:2 aspect ratio image will do.

17x25 will be useful for both the 3800 and 4800. InkJetArt has gotten enough demand to order 17x25 sheets for their 3 popular papers, MicroCeramic Luster, MicroCeramic Glossy, and Museum Digital Art.

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2007, 08:19:59 PM »
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35mm enlarged full frame is 16x24 so 17x25 paper is perfect for a scanned slide or full frame DSLR. The 3800 doesn't have roll support but will handle up to 37.4" sheeets so the 17x25 is perfect for us 5D or 1DS shooters.

Another option is cutting 17" roll paper to size as needed. See this thread:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat...thread=21575361

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I just took a  number of 16 x 24 prints (from hand cut 17 x 25 sheets--IJA MC Luster roll paepr) to the framer for a commercial job.  I suppose one could try feeding more than one in the middle feeder of the 3800 (these are luster), its about as easy to feed one at a time.  When I print this large I prefer to pull it and lay it flat as it is printed.  

Take a look at the Condor (I like the natural without OBAs) from Hawk Mt.  Very nice fine art paper.  I tried IJA Museum Digital Art also but its lighter weight than I prefer for this paper--otherwise a very nice paper.  I'd rather they had added the size to their Illuminata Cotton RAg but I think they are having vendor problems with that.  Very nice paper also--but only available in 17 x 22.

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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2007, 08:48:44 PM »
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I didn't mean what kind of image would use 17x25.  I can figure that out.  ;-)

I meant what kind of printer uses it, and how?  I print 16x24's on my 4800 now using 17" roll paper.  I'd love to use pre-cut (and flat!) 17x25's, but I don't think I'd want to do a lot of hand feeding of individual sheets.  Will the 3800's paper tray take 17x25's?

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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2007, 11:11:16 PM »
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I didn't mean what kind of image would use 17x25. I can figure that out. ;-)

I meant what kind of printer uses it, and how? I print 16x24's on my 4800 now using 17" roll paper. I'd love to use pre-cut (and flat!) 17x25's, but I don't think I'd want to do a lot of hand feeding of individual sheets. Will the 3800's paper tray take 17x25's?

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Nill, the 3800 has 3 feeders.  There is a back manual feeder for heavier papers--like the VFA, Photorag, watercolor,  Ultrasmooth, canvas, etc.  This is handfed and you can feed any size up to 34.4" one sheet at a time (the manual says 22" but I'm guessing this is because there are no Epson sheet papers longer than 17 x 22).  There is a middle feeder or 'auto'  for multiple sheets--but not a 'tray'---this is for paper like luster, semigloss, lighter weight mattes and also specifies 22"--but again, no reason that you can't feed multiples of 34.4" that I can see--as long as you have some way to support those (my long sheets lean up against the back wall).  The manual says 10 sheets of the longest luster paper in this feeder.  The front manual feeder is for quite heavy papers like posterboard.  This again is a manual one sheet at a time feed.  I've had no reason to use it yet--but would again assume that you could print up to 34.4" in length.

On one of the other forums, there is one person feeding 36" paper--with 34" prrints assuming 1" borders on each end).   He didn't specify which paper (or I don't remember) and he didn't say if he was handfeeding--but I'm guessing so with that length which could be a bit unruly I would think--because of lack of support in the printer and needing additional support for the length.

I looked at the specs and the picture of the 4800 and see what you are saying about a tray--no,  the 3800 has no such.  Look at this picture   [a href=\"http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/WideFormat/WideFormatDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&infoType=Overview&oid=-14081&category=Wide+Format+Printers]http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/WideFor...Format+Printers[/url]  and you will see the long sheet coming from the top of the printer--that's in the auto feeder where you can feed up to 10 long sheets (20 of shorter length and 120 I believe of plain paper.   The paper laying approx where the 4800 has a try is paper to be fed into the manual feeder for very heavy media.

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2007, 11:33:29 PM »
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Thanks Diane.  I can't visualize any of that.  I guess I need to look at a 3800.

And I guess I should just buy a few sheets and try it.  Hey I don't have to do that... I can just cut a 25" length off a roll and try that!

But then there's the problem of where to keep the unwieldy stuff.  At least the roll stays tucked quietly and neatly out of the way.  And I can't say I've really had much of a problem with the curl.  Heck I ship them in tubes anyway, and just reverse roll them.

I think I'll go back to sleep.  ;-)

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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2007, 11:38:08 PM »
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Thanks Diane.  I can't visualize any of that.  I guess I need to look at a 3800.

And I guess I should just buy a few sheets and try it.  Hey I don't have to do that... I can just cut a 25" length off a roll and try that!

But then there's the problem of where to keep the unwieldy stuff.  At least the roll stays tucked quietly and neatly out of the way.  And I can't say I've really had much of a problem with the curl.  Heck I ship them in tubes anyway, and just reverse roll them.

I think I'll go back to sleep.  ;-)

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Nill, I added a link to a picture of the 3800.  I print from roll paper too--and that woks nicely (DAvid made me a handy holder for the rolls and I run it thorugh my rotary cutter in a hurry)..  For my fineart papers I think I will go with 17 x 25 sheet paper.  I have the benefit of having a studio I use for both photography related things and my bookmaking activities so have a big table, lots of storage room for large sheets (used to be my textile studio and there's still a huge computer driven loom in the second room and my dye equipment is still in my dye kitchen LOL--no place to 'store' all that and I'm loathe to give it up yet).

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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2007, 10:57:29 AM »
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Thanks Diane.  I can't visualize any of that.  I guess I need to look at a 3800.

And I guess I should just buy a few sheets and try it.  Hey I don't have to do that... I can just cut a 25" length off a roll and try that!

But then there's the problem of where to keep the unwieldy stuff.  At least the roll stays tucked quietly and neatly out of the way.  And I can't say I've really had much of a problem with the curl.  Heck I ship them in tubes anyway, and just reverse roll them.
Witha  4800 you're probably better off sticking with the rolls, there are serveral advantages and the only real downside is curling.

The reason these papers are nice for 3800 users is because that printer doesn't support roll paper at all. The only other alternative would be hand-cutting 17x25 sheets from roll stock (and as annoying as the curl is in a finished print from the 4800, I think it would be much more inconvenient trying to feed cut sheets into the 3800 that had heavy curl).
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2007, 02:17:04 AM »
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I asked ( yesterday Friday) the company that imports  Crane and Innova papers to Sweden, to to ask both companys about start producing 17x25 cut sheets ( of the papers I use.Museo Silver Rag from Crane for ex.).

He said if there were enough demands ( as in any buissnes,  with inkjetart as an example meantioned in this thread) they will probably cut and deliver that size. ( not sure when I will get the reply from Crane though)

So for all of us that want 17x25 sized paper ( flat in a box ) just make sure you let those companys know that you want those sizes.
And hopefully they will understand the demand of that size and start produsing it.

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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2007, 07:26:33 AM »
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Witha  4800 you're probably better off sticking with the rolls, there are serveral advantages and the only real downside is curling.

The reason these papers are nice for 3800 users is because that printer doesn't support roll paper at all. The only other alternative would be hand-cutting 17x25 sheets from roll stock (and as annoying as the curl is in a finished print from the 4800, I think it would be much more inconvenient trying to feed cut sheets into the 3800 that had heavy curl).
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Jeff, I think that's entirely correct.  The reason we (3800 owners) are anxious for the 17 x 25 sheets is because many don't want to handcut the sheets themselves and aren't happy with cropping to 16 x 20 for the readlily available 17 x 22 sheets.  If I had a 4800 I would most likely stick with the roll option.  I bought the 3800 for particular reasons and am glad that I now have more paper options too.

Handcutting the luster papers and printing with them is quite easy--curl hasn't been a problem.  However, I suspect that handcutting heavier fineart papers and decurling would be more of a hassle--thus I will probably buy sheets in the papers I like.

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2007, 08:28:26 AM »
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Perfect to get the maximum image on a iPF5000 too
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