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gkroeger
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« on: February 02, 2007, 10:35:15 AM »
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Any first-hand, or theoretical reasons to prefer the Eizo CE240W or the new NEC LCD2490WUXI?  Eizo appears to be about $150 more. I will use a GM Eye-One Display 2.
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2007, 10:51:33 AM »
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Be sure to look at the 2690wuxi also.  It's spec'd to cover about 92% of the Adobe RBG space.  It recently won Best in Show in the display category at Macworld, and it just started shipping at street prices right under $1600.

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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2007, 02:29:32 PM »
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Eizo CE210, CE240, S2110 and S2410 use S-PVA panels which don't have the same (close to perfect) viewing angle behavior as S-IPS panels. S-IPS panels are only used in Eizo's CG panels

And Nec as a S-IPS panels  

i think your going to get a better bang for your bucks With the Nec!!! but i'm still waiting on first hand review...
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2007, 08:42:54 PM »
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I think it is also worth noting that the gamut on the 2490 is significantly smaller than on the 2690.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2007, 09:06:02 PM »
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I think it is also worth noting that the gamut on the 2490 is significantly smaller than on the 2690.
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That's sort of a glass-half-empty way of putting it.  The gamut on the 2490 is the same as all of the rest of the xx90 series, and probably more or less in line (I'm guessing, I don't know) with other high-quality color managed monitors in that regard.  The 2690 is exceptional in its very wide gamut, especially in this price range.

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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2007, 10:22:46 PM »
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Eizo CE210, CE240, S2110 and S2410 use S-PVA panels which don't have the same (close to perfect) viewing angle behavior as S-IPS panels. S-IPS panels are only used in Eizo's CG panels

And Nec as a S-IPS panels 

i think your going to get a better bang for your bucks With the Nec!!! but i'm still waiting on first hand review...
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Thanks for the info on the Eizos.  I had discovered that the "i" on the end of the NEC product designations meant S-IPS panels, but wasn't sure on the Eizos.

I notice that the online review of the 2690WUXi (referenced in a previous thread here) mentions "twinkling" when showing movies... has anyone experience this first hand? Sounds like the response time is still a bit slow on the S-IPS panels.

I also found a thread on dpreview in which an NEC employee indicated that the calibration software (Spectraview II) will be updated very soon for the new 24 and 26 inch wide panels.

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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2007, 11:31:12 PM »
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Well, I don't watch movies on mine, but somebody on another thread somewhere said the "twinkling" is actually in the movies and you see it on any monitor, it's just more noticeable on LCD's.  

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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2007, 07:21:07 AM »
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there is a very long tread on hardforum.com (NEC LCD2690)  Lot's of Info !!!
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2007, 09:38:17 AM »
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there is a very long tread on hardforum.com (NEC LCD2690)  Lot's of Info !!!
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Thanks for the thread... sifting through the gamer's chatter about how expensive good monitors are, there was still a lot of good information there.

One issue that was raised was the interplay of wide gamut and 8-bit color hardware on the video board side.  I know some of the new ATI FireGL boards support 10-bit video throughout the hardware pipeline, but don't yet know if the NECs can do anything with this.  Is this really an issue?  I have always been a bit suspect of the difference between 70% and 90%+ AdobeRGB coverage since these are areas, and like pizza, you pick up alot of area by adding just a bit of radius. Unlike pizza, where I like more crust, it's not clear that a bit more radius of very highly saturated colors is all that important in image work, particularly if the tradeoff is less suble rendition of less saturated colors due to the use of the same 8-bit range spread over a larger area.

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« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2007, 01:20:58 PM »
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Why play games on a retouching monitor ?

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2007, 05:30:10 PM »
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A 10 bit video card wouldn't make much difference anyway in regards to Photoshop which generates previews in 8bit only.
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2007, 05:07:29 AM »
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Now, that is what I'd call a clear reply

It illustrates how most of the industry is as much captive to the software as to the hardware.

But Photoshop can dither the display, I think, so you will still get the benefit of the extended gamut, I believe, just not perfect gradations.

I think these monitors are used more for proofing these days -all those brand spot colors- than for actual work.

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2007, 06:00:28 PM »
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i have the eizo...the hardware calibration makes it sing...
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