Thanks for the reply. I was thinking newer would be better, but sounds like there are some very unhappy owners of the 5000 and the 3100 has a problems with reds?? Not sure if that is still the case for the 3100 but I am reading lots of flaming on the canon service response (or lack thereof). The Epson 3800 is older and I thought that it is prone to clogging in situations when it is used almost daily. In my situation I thought that was going to be a real problem. Some time ago the Desk Jet 130 was recommended to me but the new printers were on the horizon....
I wouldn't call a the reds a problem. It's not a mechanical thing, nor a fault. In the upper reds the Canon is the best. In saturated dark reds the Epson is much better than both Canon and HP on photo rag media.
Yet the same peopel screaming foul about the reds are not looking for anything positive anywhere. Fact is the greens on the HP walk away from the others, and not just in synthetic analysis in gamut plots. Real images, real greens. The reds are pretty darn good too on my real images here.