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« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2007, 10:27:28 AM »
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Regarding the rebate, guess someone from HP can clear this up, but from HP's site it says:

"If you currently own a 17-44" wide color inkjet printer(s) and you purchase an HP Designjet Z2100 or Z3100 Photo Printer between February 1, 2007 and May 31, 2007, and you comply with the terms and conditions set forth below, you can receive Cash Back by mail of up to $1,000 depending on the new product you purchase"

I have a feeling that means what it says. If one buys a model z2100 or z3100, you can get the rebate. If you buy the model z3100ps GP, that printer will not be eligible for the rebate (different model). So in essence you are still paying about $900 - $1200 extra for the APS.
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If you click on Z3100 from the promo site (http://www.hp.com/united-states/tradein/promo/extreme/home_f.html), it takes you to the page that show both models, Z3100 and Z3100ps. Therefore, both models are eligible for the rebate.

Unfortunately, I didn't know about the 'ps' model when I got mine three weeks ago.

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« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2007, 11:15:05 AM »
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If you click on Z3100 from the promo site (http://www.hp.com/united-states/tradein/promo/extreme/home_f.html), it takes you to the page that show both models, Z3100 and Z3100ps. Therefore, both models are eligible for the rebate.

Unfortunately, I didn't know about the 'ps' model when I got mine three weeks ago.

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In the other APS thread, DCT123 posted this report:

"According to a rep at HP Business Customer Service, the rebate applies to all "Z Series printers"...additionally, I was assured that the Z3100ps came with an "onboard (hardware?) Postscript rip and the latest version of APS."

My supplier also assured me that my order for the ps version of the Z3100 will ship before the May 31 rebate deadline."
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« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2007, 12:01:28 PM »
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This is the link .  US ONLY

http://www.hp.com/united-states/tradein/pr...reme/terms.html
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« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2007, 12:50:20 PM »
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Since I'm being quoted numerous times, allow me settle this once and for all.

Click on the link below:

http://www.hp.com/united-states/tradein/pr...eme/home_f.html

then scroll down to:

Get a $1,000 cash rebate when you buy an HP Designjet Z3100 Photo Printer (24" or 44")

then click the link on that line which will take you to a page that lists all FOUR 'Z' printers that qualify for the rebate AND the free paper.
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« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2007, 02:02:22 PM »
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This what I was wondering when I first saw this. Another poster in another thread has ordered the PS version and the dealer is promising the backordered printer will arrive before the May deadline.  Problem is it certainly appears the rebate which amounts to about $1300 when you include the paper does not apply to the PS version.  It makes sense that it wouldn't.

  I am waiting to see what Onyx and Colorbyte come up with before giving APS any consideration.

Also I must add that this printer is giving me excellent results on hotpress paper without a RIP or extra color management tools.
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« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2007, 02:07:55 PM »
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Since I'm being quoted numerous times, allow me settle this once and for all.

Click on the link below:

http://www.hp.com/united-states/tradein/pr...eme/home_f.html

then scroll down to:

Get a $1,000 cash rebate when you buy an HP Designjet Z3100 Photo Printer (24" or 44")

then click the link on that line which will take you to a page that lists all FOUR 'Z' printers that qualify for the rebate AND the free paper.
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I did what you said. And I went ahead and started the online claims process. On the drop-down menu from the online claims process, I only see models z2100 and z3100. I do not see "z3100ps GP" - the model number for the newer printers.

And from the Program Details at the HP Terms and Conditions link:

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again I do not see the z3100ps or z3100ps GP. From that page, here are the  four printers eligible for the rebate. I am copying and pasting:

"HP Designjet Z2100 24"     $500 cash back, plus $300 value in additional media
HP Designjet Z2100 44"    $500 cash back, plus $500 value in additional media
HP Designjet Z3100 24"    $1,000 cash back, plus $300 value in additional media
HP Designjet Z3100 44"    $1,000 cash back, plus $500 value in additional media
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None of those are the z3100ps. Someone can check with HP to clarify, but if the rebate applies to the z3100ps, it is not because it says so in the program Terms and Conditions. I think this is your "free" bundled APS. It's included for the same price, but you you can't get the $1,000 rebate. I'll take the $1,000.
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« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2007, 02:17:48 PM »
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This what I was wondering when I first saw this. Another poster in another thread has ordered the PS version and the dealer is promising the backordered printer will arrive before the May deadline.  Problem is it certainly appears the rebate which amounts to about $1300 when you include the paper does not apply to the PS version.  It makes sense that it wouldn't.
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Charles, didn't you read the posting immediately before your own?  If you go to the page for the rebate, and click on the link for the Z3100 printers, it takes you to all four *3100* models, including the PS model.  And above those four *3100* models the $1000 rebate is prominently advertised. Just email HP.  Before I purchased the 3100 I emailed HP to verify that the Epson 4000 would qualify, and received a response within two days.  Then you'll have something in writing that you can share with everyone else who is asking the same question.
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« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2007, 02:27:23 PM »
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I think this is your "free" bundled APS. It's included for the same price, but you you can't get the $1,000 rebate. I'll take the $1,000.
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Again, as has been noted above, that is not the logical conclusion from the HP web site.  If HP later tried to deny the rebate to the PS model, they would have a tough time making that stick in any legal action by a good Texas firm representing all affected consumers.  

As for your point about the "free" APS, well there is NOTHING on the web site that implies or says that.  No where does HP claim that the APS is free or a substitute for the rebate.   That is your own inference, because you want to continue to argue either that you don't need the APS, or that you can't get the APS.   OK.   So don't spend the same money for the PS model with the APS.   None of us care if you buy only the printer for the same price as the printer and the APS.   That is your (foolish) choice to make.

Since there is $1000 at stake, just email the address provided on the web site for the rebates.  You'll have an answer within a few days, and then we can settle this debate, once and for all.  I'll be very surprised if HP says that the rebate doesn't apply to all four *3100* models, as is clearly shown and implied on the web site.

Again, at least one poster was already told by HP customer service that the rebate applies to all four *3100* models.  But I would recommend that one of you just type out an email and get a written response so we don't beat this point to death.
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« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2007, 02:41:55 PM »
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Again, at least one poster was already told by HP customer service that the rebate applies to all four models.  But I would recommend that one of you just type out an email and get a written response so we don't beat this point to death.
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That's right. All you have to do is visit the link he posted and it lists all 4 models that are eligible for the rebate. Unfortunately, none of the models are z3100ps. The four models, as I posted from the Terms and Conditions page, are:

z3100 24"
z3100 44"
z2100 24"
z2100 44"

None of those are "ps" models. So now the pricing makes more sense.
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« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2007, 02:51:37 PM »
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That's right. All you have to do is visit the link he posted and it lists all 4 models that are eligible for the rebate. Unfortunately, none of the models are z3100ps. The four models, as I posted from the Terms and Conditions page, are:

z3100 24"
z3100 44"
z2100 24"
z2100 44"

None of those are "ps" models. So now the pricing makes more sense.
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I have to give you credit for being stubborn to the end.  The web page we all referring to is the illustration of the four *3100* models, with the rebate prominently referred to directly above those models.  It doesn't say some of those, or two of those, it clearly implies all four.  And when you click on the link for the Z3100 (on the rebate page) it takes you to that web page showing all four *3100* models.  The web page we all referring to is:

[a href=\"http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ga/WF25a/18972-18972-3328061-12600-3328079-3204970.html]http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ga/WF...79-3204970.html[/url]

By all means, go ahead and buy the model without the APS for the same price as the model with the APS.  That's clearly what you want to do, so just go do it.

But I'd again recommend that you stop arguing the point, and just send an email to HP and get a written response.
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I have to give you credit for being stubborn to the end.  The web page we all referring to is the illustration of the four *3100* models, with the rebate prominently referred to directly above those models.  It doesn't say some of those, or two of those, it clearly implies all four.  And when you click on the link for the Z3100 it takes you to that web page.  The web page we all referring to is:

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ga/WF...79-3204970.html

By all means, go ahead and buy the model without the APS for the same price as the model with the APS.  That's clearly what you want to do, so just go do it.

But I'd again recommend that you stop arguing the point, and just send an email to HP and get a written response.
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HP can answer this for you once and for all, but I think you are answering your own questions.

The Terms and Conditions clearly state z2100 24", z3100 24", z2100 24", and z3100 44". Four models.

But if that is not clear enough, just go visit the link you posted:

[a href=\"http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ga/WF25a/18972-18972-3328061-12600-3328079-3204970.html]http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ga/WF...79-3204970.html[/url]

You're right, that link does take you to an HP page that shows you four different z3100 models, but no mention is made of eligibility for the rebate. However, if you then click on each of the models for more information about that model, you will find this info for the "z3100 44" and "z3100 24" (no included APS) models:

Quote from the z3100 44" (non APS included) page:

"Special offers: Get up to $1000 cash back on select HP Designjet Z series photo printers!. Offer ends 05/31/07, or see all offers"

Now, let's click on the link for the Z3100ps 44" (APS bundled) model and see what info we can find for that model. Here is the link from the page you posted for more info on the z3100ps 44":

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ga/WF...80-3204981.html

And you will note that, in contrast to the z3100 44 (no APS included) model, there is no mention of the $1,000 rebate for the z3100ps 44 (APS bundled) model. This is in line with the info. I posted from the Terms and Conditions.

All this thread proves is that, unless you can pull a fast one, there is no free lunch. Take the $1000 rebate and don't get the APS or pay the extra dough for the APS later OR buy the model with the APS bundled and give up the $1,000 (or $500 for the 24" model) rebate.

Your thread's title and opening post are a bit of a flame. I'm not stubborn, I'm just reading what's the Terms and Conditions, and your post only supports HP's Terms and Conditions.
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I have to give you credit for being stubborn to the end.  The web page we all referring to is the illustration of the four *3100* models, with the rebate prominently referred to directly above those models.  It doesn't say some of those, or two of those, it clearly implies all four.  And when you click on the link for the Z3100 (on the rebate page) it takes you to that web page showing all four *3100* models.  The web page we all referring to is:

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ga/WF...79-3204970.html


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And again, the rebate is prominently referred to, but READ it

"Special offers: Get up to $1000 cash back on select HP Designjet Z series photo printers!. Offer ends 05/31/07, or see all offers"

I assume "select" means what it says. They have "selected" Z models that are eligible for the rebate, and others are not eligible.

What HP is doing is nothing new - it's common practice. And you usually get what you pay for. If you get the z3100ps model, you're getting something those who only get the z3100 model don't get. In return, you don't get the rebate. Each individual can decide if the APS is worth the extra money for the work they do and the tools they already own.
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« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2007, 03:26:06 PM »
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Also, I checked the Google cache of the page for the HP Z3100ps GP model on HP's website to see if they "dishonestly" altered the rebate terms in response to your thread. That does not appear to be the case. The cached page also makes no mention to the rebate for the z3100 ps GP model.

I don't think there is any "dishonest" conspiracy here; it looks like just a misunderstanding or failure to read the details or wishful thinking, or probably a little of each. We are all susceptible. And if someone can get the rebate and the APS bundled, more power to you.
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« Reply #53 on: April 29, 2007, 04:28:00 PM »
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In Germany the Z3100 GP 24" with APS  (Q5669B) is actually 84 Euro cheaper on the HP website as the Z3100 (Q5669A) without APS.

http://tinylink.com/?oIE95TQ68B
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« Reply #54 on: April 29, 2007, 05:06:51 PM »
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In Germany the Z3100 GP 24" with APS  (Q5669B) is actually 84 Euro cheaper on the HP website as the Z3100 (Q5669A) without APS.

http://tinylink.com/?oIE95TQ68B
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Setting aside the debate over the rebate (since that doesn't apply in Europe) it appears that there is a consistent change in pricing on the retail level in both the US and Germany.  So those who bought the Z3100 one or two months ago lost the rough equivalent of US$800, either because they bought the printer separately and didn't get the APS, or because they bought the APS separately.

On a different note, my apologies to all for my part in prolonging the debate on the rebate.  Those who are concerned about that should send an email to HP and get a written response.  That's what I did when the rebate form didn't specifically list the Epson 4000.  I didn't want to be left in limbo; I wanted a definite answer; so I wrote to HP and received one.  What I did NOT do was debate it on this forum since that wouldn't do me any good.  The only definitive answer that counts, and the only way to protect yourself, is by getting a written response from HP.   I then included that written response from HP with my rebate application when I mailed it in.  That's what I did, and that is what Roscolo should do.  There is enough ambiguity on the HP web page to justify taking five minutes and and writing to them.  Why pass up $1000 simply because you didn't send them an email to clarify which printers qualify?  And I'm certainly not recommending that you just assume the PS model does qualify.  Either way, write to HP and get a written response to either include with your rebate application if the response is affirmative, or buy the unit without APS if the answer is negative.

I recommended that in my first post on the rebate question, and I apologize to all that I didn't just stick to that short answer.  

Enough said on that topic!
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« Reply #55 on: April 29, 2007, 10:03:57 PM »
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<Marty PORTION: None of those manufacturers turned around and included an accessory in the first 60 days that previously cost $800 ON THE SAME IDENTICAL UNIT.>

Again, I ask: what are you talking about? Product #Q6659A (Z3100 44") is the base printer and does not have a PostScript RIP nor APS. Product #Q6660A (Z3100ps 44") is the base model PLUS PostScript RIP and APS (and other stuff). The MSRP on Product A is less than Product B because it includes less stuff. Here are the four models in question:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ga/WF...79-3204970.html

If there are resellers out there re-bundling and changing pricing (or even flip pricing and offering the higher priced product for less than the base model), I guess they must have their reasons for doing so. I don't sell printers so I don't know. But the products ARE NOT IDENTICAL.

What am I missing here? Have I entered the Twilight Zone?

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« Reply #56 on: April 30, 2007, 12:17:33 AM »
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What am I missing here? Have I entered the Twilight Zone?
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Maybe.  Everyone else understands, even those who have no sympathy for the fact that we lost $800.

My apologies, in advance, to everyone else for repeating the same issues yet again:

The printer and APS together is now selling for the previous price of the printer alone.  This is occurring in both the US, and according to a post above, in Germany.

[a href=\"http://www.provantage.com/hewlett-packard-...cc~7HEWD0LU.htm]http://www.provantage.com/hewlett-packard-...cc~7HEWD0LU.htm[/url]

http://www.superwarehouse.com/p.cfm?p=1496596

http://www.nextwarehouse.com/item/?357519_...MPAQ_Q5670A#BCC

http://www.pcnation.com/web/details.asp?item=M35744

(Do a google search, and you can come up with even more.)

Had we all waited -- if no one had bought the printer until now -- we could have all purchased the printer and APS for the same amount that the printer previously cost.

So everyone who bought the printer alone in the last two months lost out on the APS.  The separate cost of the APS is $800.  Everyone who bought the printer and the APS in the last two months lost $800 because they bought the separate APS -- had they waited, they could have bought both for the price of the  printer alone.

As my very first posting said, HP is clearly pricing the PS model at the wholesale level very aggressively, so the dealers can now sell the PS model at the same price as what the printer alone previously sold for.  I can't explain why Julian doesn't get the same pricing advantages as the other dealers, but as I noted, he won't be selling very many printers if his prices are roughly $800 higher than everyone else.

And HP no longer lists the APS as a recommended accessory anywhere on its web pages.  It has removed it across the board on the many web pages where it was listed as a recommended accessory.  Why?  Because it is now included in the printer for the same price as the printer alone.  This mass removal of the APS as a recommended accessory occurred on many, many redundant web pages.  A fact that many others have commented on above.  

The lesson, for all of us, is to not buy any HP products for the first three or four months, and wait until HP drops the prices.  OF course, that is a nightmare conclusion for HP, since millions of dollars of inventory will sit around and collect dust while everyone waits for HP to drop their prices.

That is exactly why manufacturers don't do what HP has done to all of us.  No one cuts prices by $800 after only 60 to 90 days.  Consumers would never buy their products when they first are released if that was normal and acceptable behavior.  (The argument that prices always drop for first adopters is false.  Not in the first 60 days.  Rather than repeating it here, please refer to my posting above on the Blu-Ray analogy.)

Harald, this is pretty basic stuff.  Everyone else gets it, especially those who spent the money and lost $800.  Read the above postings again, especially the comments from those who wish they could return the printer, and buy the printer and APS for the same price.  Honestly, Harald.  You may be a consultant for HP, but everyone else can do the math.

Was HP dishonest?  Well, I guess if I could change the header on the posting I might drop the word dishonest.  I have been persuaded by all of you that my use of "dishonest" might be a bit over the top.  Only HP knows if they intended to do this all along and were therefore dishonest.  My own guess, as stated above, is that we -- the posters on the forum -- are the ironic victims of our own success.  We argued that the APS is overpriced, and many said that it should be included in the base price of the printer. So that is exactly what HP has done.  So HP might not have been dishonest, but in cutting the prices we all still lost $800.  As one of the other posters put it, HP "honestly ripped us off" and "created a sense of unfairness."

Unfairness indeed.  They way they treated all of us -- the loyal customers who were the first to buy their product and try it out, and work through all of the problems -- is appalling.  

This sets a new low for how manufacturers treat loyal customers who are the first to buy their products.

Again, the lesson is simple.  DO NOT BUY ANY HP PRODUCTS FOR THE FIRST TWO TO FOUR MONTHS AFTER THEIR RELEASE, AND WAIT FOR A HUGE REDUCTION IN PRICE.

Everyone else understands, even those who have no sympathy for the fact that those who were the first to buy lost $800.  So maybe you are in the twilight zone, or are just arguing stubbornly for HP despite the basic facts outlined above.  In any case, I won't debate the point again and eat up forum space.
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« Reply #57 on: April 30, 2007, 12:41:20 AM »
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I rarely chime in on these rants, but I still don't get the frustration...

The latest info on this thread and on the HP site points to the following:

In the US you can buy a Z printer with a rebate, or one with APS for about the same price.

Both offer about $1000 worth of value.

You bought yours with a rebate and now HP offers the same printer with no rebate but with APS included. Where is this $800 you lost? Did you not get a rebate?

Why are you so pissed?

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« Reply #58 on: April 30, 2007, 12:52:09 AM »
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I rarely chime in on these rants, but I still don't get the frustration...

The latest info on this thread and on the HP site points to the following:

In the US you can buy a Z printer with a rebate, or one with APS for about the same price.

Both offer about $1000 worth of value.

You bought yours with a rebate and now HP offers the same printer with no rebate but with APS included. Where is this $800 you lost? Did you not get a rebate?

Why are you so pissed?

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First, if you are correct about the rebate, it only applies in the US.  The same price reduction has occurred in Germany.  Assuming that it occurs everywhere across the globe, then anyone outside of the US has clearly lost roughly $800 if they bought the printer in the first 60 days.  That is indisputable.

Second, the point about the rebate is very much open to debate.  Different people on the forum are reading the same web pages quite differently.  

At least one poster called HP and reported that the rebate *DOES* apply to the PS model.  If that is true, then you are dead wrong in your above posting.

I assume that the rebate DOES apply to the PS model.  Both because that's how I interpret the web pages, and because other forum posters were told just that by HP.  I posted and started this thread based on that assumption.

I have written to the HP email address on the rebates and asked if it applies to the PS model.  Once we receive a response from HP, we'll know the answer to that, one way or the other.  (So please, let's not debate the proper interpretation of the HP web pages yet again.  As I posted above, the only response that matters is what HP has to say since it is their rebate.)

I hardly think protesting the loss of $800 is a "rant," but I guess you have money to burn.  And regardless of the outcome of the rebate issue, anyone outside of the US has lost $800, if this pricing structure is followed by retailers in other countries in the next few weeks.  That is already the case in Germany according to the above posting
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My apologies, in advance, to everyone else for repeating the same issues yet again:

The printer and APS together is now selling for the previous price of the printer alone.  This is occurring in both the US, and according to a post above, in Germany.


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You are beating a dead horse. As noted in the posts above, sure, the z3100ps model appears to now be priced the same as the regular z3100 on those sites. But, if you buy the z3100, you get the $1000 rebate back. If you get the z3100ps, you (according to HP's Rebate Terms and Conditions) apparently will not get $1000 back.

Would it make you feel better if the z3100 (non ps) model was priced $1000 lower instead of Hp sending you a check for $1000?

I ordered an HP z3100 (non APS)44" model. I paid $5,935. Because it is the non APS model, I will get the $1000 rebate and $500 in free paper. So, once I get my $1000 from HP, I will have paid $4,935 and gotten $500 free paper on top of that.

If I order the Z3100ps 44" model from one of the sites you posted (pcnation) I will pay $6000 with shipping (and I will have to wait over 2 weeks according to their site). With that model, however, I will not get the $1000 rebate nor the $500 in free media.

So, my cost, including the free media, for not getting the z3100ps model, is $4435...a significant savings over the z3100ps. I could opt to get the z3100ps model instead, but then my cost would be $6000. Not only would I be spending a lot more for the z3100ps, but I would have to wait at least 2 weeks, and as I have a $1800 order waiting to get out, I would probably lose that order (and a great customer!) while waiting.

From what I have read here, I think I will be fine without the APS, and I can certainly use the $1500.

Again, what is the difference if HP prices the printer lower or sends you $1000? Do you just not want to wait a few weeks to get your check? You still pay more for the z3100ps than you do for the z3100 without APS once you get your rebate and free media with the z3100 without APS.

To me it's clear that the z3100ps, when you factor in the rebate for the z3100 (no ps) is more expensive as it is, according to the Rebate Terms and Conditions as they now read, ineligible for the rebate, but just think, after the z3100ps, HP may add some other feature to the printer in 6 months and call it the z3100psXYZ...does that mean HP is dishonest if they don't give that feature to everyone who purchased the initial model?

If so, then I want to call the manufacturer of my 2005 model car and request that I be "upgraded" to all the features of the current model!

I will know more soon, but the APS seems to be more hype than necessity from my research here and elsewhere, and may, in fact, be more of a reason to make those people who are buying the z3100 after the Rebate promotion period ends, feel like they are getting more value for the money as they may not get the rebate.
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