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« on: May 12, 2007, 11:28:27 PM »
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hello

guys, would you guys share on what equipment do you use for architecture shoots ?
I have a 24mm TS on canon 5D and a 35mm shift, 50mm shift and a 17mm for my Aptus to be used on the truewide.

I still face problems of getting the whole image in when I'm just a street across the building or shooting across from a junction. It seems that I need a 20mm shift for such a situation. What do you guys do when faced with this problem ? Or how do you set up your equipment such that you can easily face any of the problems faced on the wide angle end of the shooting ?

I do really hope the answer is just to "try harder", I would hate to buy more equipment. I'm not in a spending mood, I would just like to learn how do guy guys face such situations.

I'm still new in moving into shooting architecture so anyhelp would be great as I don't have a mentor here that I can easily consult.

thanks for the help.

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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2007, 12:29:34 AM »
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A 17mm on a truewide? What kind of lens ist this???
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2007, 12:37:41 AM »
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A 17mm on a truewide? What kind of lens ist this???
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I guess a 17-35 2.8 nikkor zoom (doesnt cover the whole chip??)

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2007, 03:42:26 AM »
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I guess a 17-35 2.8 nikkor zoom (doesnt cover the whole chip??)

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yes, the nikkor at 17mm, there is a bit of vignetting, but at 20mm, it covers the while chip, which will give you about a 17mm equivalent on a 35mm fullframe camera.
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2007, 03:55:12 AM »
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come on man  need some help here.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2007, 04:44:40 AM »
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relative cheap options:
to go realy wide, try to get a good copy of the sigma 12-24.
its sharp enough and has hardly any distortion (perhaps 1% barrel at 12mm).
then shift in photoshop.
 and if dont want to spend any money, find a different viewpoint, further away. a 12mm fullframe-picture gives you quite strong perspectives. unless you are realy carefull with the 12mm architects might not like the picture very much.
another choice (for more resolution) would be stitching three shifted frames.

since you asked: I use the 12-24mm on a 5D mostly for architecture inside. and a mamiya zd with a 50mm shift and the 35mm for exteriors (and interiors).  it´s my setup to work fast and get enough shots on a day.

if you have more time (to shoot) or money (to spend) a different setup would of course be preferable (cambo, alpha...)

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2007, 04:52:08 AM »
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the sigma 12-24 is a phantastic option. it seems to be the onliest wa retrofocus lense under 20mm ever built with good correction for distortion. as stephan said its not so easy to use it but if you know that the results can be amazing together with the 5d. carefully corrected the image is good enough for any a3 print, even mixed with mf shots.

for  shots with less wideangle i use than my mf lenses with the gottschalt, ofcourse still better,
but for a price point 10 times higher than the 5d with the sigma.

there is no alternative to the sigma if you want to go wider than 24mm on a 35mm system. on mf systems the rodenstock 28Hr ( equ. 21mm ) and the schneider 24 xl ( equ. 17mm ) are the best solution.
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2007, 08:23:28 AM »
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Why not use stitching? There is a very advanced application AutoPano Pro. In this case longer zoom, higher optical quality lenses can be used to produce a higher resolution image. Ofcourse a spherical panoramic bracket is a must for serious applications.
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2007, 08:45:52 AM »
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Why not use stitching? There is a very advanced application AutoPano Pro. In this case longer zoom, higher optical quality lenses can be used to produce a higher resolution image. Ofcourse a spherical panoramic bracket is a must for serious applications.
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you'll be able to cover the angle usinging stitching, but when you do a rectilinear projection, the quality does down quite dramatically. Stitching is the same as tilting the camera and correcting for perspective later on. The sides lose alot of detail.
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2007, 09:35:24 AM »
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I use a 5D setup, 17-45, 24TS, 35 Olympus PC, 45TS, etc. and a complete 4x5 outfit 47, 65, 90, 150 etc. with the ability to scan in house. Stitching solves many problems that a wide lens will not cover, but is a last resort beyond a two image stitch because it is not very cost effective, time wise, on usual AP budgets.
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2007, 09:49:50 AM »
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I use a 5D setup, 17-45, 24TS, 35 Olympus PC, 45TS, etc. and a complete 4x5 outfit 47, 65, 90, 150 etc. with the ability to scan in house. Stitching solves many problems that a wide lens will not cover, but is a last resort beyond a two image stitch because it is not very cost effective, time wise, on usual AP budgets.
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Give AutoPano pro a chance:) It automatically recognises panoramas from an entire set of files which may include various panoramas and single images and is capable of fully automated stitching. Excellent workflow tool with quality results.
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2007, 12:04:30 PM »
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Give AutoPano pro a chance

I have. It is a problem solver, but not anywhere near as productive as having the right equipment to begin with. On tall buildings, as he describes, give me a 4x5 and the right lens any day.
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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2007, 03:30:10 PM »
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Rainer.
I'm thinking on buying a Digi 20 Gottschalt. I'm not sure if I should spend that money on it or use it to help finance a Canon 90mm TS.
Will you please talk a little bit about your experience with it? How much did you pay?
How would you rate this investment on a scale of 1 to 10?
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Eduardo

Ps Could you post a picture of the 5D with the Gottschalt?  


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for  shots with less wideangle i use than my mf lenses with the gottschalt, ofcourse still better,
but for a price point 10 times higher than the 5d with the sigma.
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2007, 05:11:47 PM »
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Rainer.
I'm thinking on buying a Digi 20 Gottschalt. I'm not sure if I should spend that money on it or use it to help finance a Canon 90mm TS.
Will you please talk a little bit about your experience with it? How much did you pay?
How would you rate this investment on a scale of 1 to 10?
Thanks
Eduardo

Ps Could you post a picture of the 5D with the Gottschalt?
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i use the gottschalt with emotion 22+75 mf backs not with the 5d. i would rate my mf equipment very high...
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2007, 01:50:19 AM »
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Quote from: uaiomex,May 15 2007, 03:30 PM
Rainer.
I'm thinking on buying a Digi 20 Gottschalt.


I would check first, if you can reach infinity with the 5d-Digi20 setup.
I looked at that option too but decided against it. you would be much better (and much cheaper!) with the zörk psa and the pentax 35 af setup (plus the 12-24mm).

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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2007, 02:44:21 AM »
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Quote from: stefan marquardt,May 16 2007, 06:50 AM
Quote from: uaiomex,May 15 2007, 03:30 PM
Rainer.
I'm thinking on buying a Digi 20 Gottschalt.
I would check first, if you can reach infinity with the 5d-Digi20 setup.
I looked at that option too but decided against it. you would be much better (and much cheaper!) with the zörk psa and the pentax 35 af setup (plus the 12-24mm).

stefan
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.... thats right .... the psa + pentax 35af is great.
about the sigma: you have to test the 12-24 before buying it. sample variation is immense, most lenses do not have 4 sharp corners for bad centration, but every third has. so you should try if all corners have same sharpness, otherwise you probably will be unlucky with it.
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2007, 11:02:49 AM »
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.... thats right .... the psa + pentax 35af is great.
about the sigma: you have to test the 12-24 before buying it. sample variation is immense, most lenses do not have 4 sharp corners for bad centartion, but every third has. so you should try if all corners have same sharpness, otherwise you probably will be unlucky with it.
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I understand the Zoerk is not totally functional (or, totally functional but really awkward) with dslr's
with chunky grips like the 5D. With the Gottschalt, you move the camera not the lens, so you don't have miss-registration when stiching. I think you can buy an extra item with the Zoerk that lets you keep the lens still and move the camera only, but from the pictures I've seen, it only makes it more awkward. From the little clip at Gottschalt site, the Digi20 seems to be easy to operate. I know all information "at distance" often can be misleading.
How much is the Digi20 anyway?

Eduardo
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2007, 11:42:58 AM »
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Quote from: uaiomex,May 16 2007, 11:02 AM
I understand the Zoerk is not totally functional (or, totally functional but really awkward) with dslr's!>>>


wrong. believe us, (rainer and me) the zörk psa and the 5d are (considering the price!) a perfect and easy to use combo. and you can choose if you shift the lens or the camera. (with exterior architecture I always just shift the lens for stiched frames. with interiors you better shift the camera).

gottschalt states for the digi20: for "product and repro work" . which makes me feel, it doesn´t reach infinity perhaps. check that first!


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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2007, 01:28:01 PM »
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I have had several interior and exterior photographers that have chosen the Cambo Wide DS system with a Phase One DB.  There is a bit of a learning curve to learn the new workflow, but seem to be happy with the system.

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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2007, 07:54:28 PM »
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Stefan,
I was told the Zoerk's main something, couldn't move freely around because the 5D grip was on its way of rotation. Good to know is fully functional with the 5D.

I almost bought one last summer to use with 3 Hasselblad CF lenses.
Thx
Eduardo
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