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« on: June 13, 2007, 11:42:37 AM »
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PRESS RELEASE
Franke & Heidecke News
Brunswick, June 12, 2007


"Routine? Consider it done! Working magic, though, may take a little longer…"

The first Hy6 cameras were delivered to Jenoptik, Laser, Optik, Systeme GmbH for their Sinar subsidiary as well as to our customer Leaf with a delay of six weeks. The cameras will now be fitted with Sinar and Leaf digital backs and subjected to exten-sive testing as Sinar Hy6 and Leaf Afi, respectively.


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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2007, 12:45:31 PM »
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Thanks, oMoses, for the english translation!

This is great news!

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2007, 01:37:31 PM »
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Is there a reason why the three models shown in the photograph all have waist level finders? Is that the standard configuration that the camera ships with? If so, when will the 45 deg. finder be available and how much will it cost?
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2007, 01:47:44 PM »
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The Hy6 undoubtedly awaits a great future. Designed for the 6x6cm negative size, it is predestined to handle future high-resolution 48x48mm sensors used in digital backs.


Hehe, in any case the H3D will not take 48x48 sensors.

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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2007, 02:15:10 PM »
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Is there a reason why the three models shown in the photograph all have waist level finders? Is that the standard configuration that the camera ships with? If so, when will the 45 deg. finder be available and how much will it cost?
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Isn't that pretty much the standard for all non-645 MF cameras?  The Hassy V series come with waist level finders.  All RB and RZ67s come with waist level finders.  I'm sure the Bronica GS-1 came with a waist level finder.  Nothing has changed.  The 45 degree finder has always been something you buy separately.  
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2007, 02:40:56 PM »
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The prism finder will be available by the time the camera is commercially released.

The cameras shows, as stated in the PR, were given to Sinar and Leaf for integration, testing and demonstrations and as such they are pre-production units.

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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2007, 02:48:19 PM »
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right, as a standard, the Sinar Hy6 will come with the waist level.

I have had this camera in hands today and made the first tests/shots: I won't say much, since you would say it comes from a Sinar guy, but you shall be surprised by its handling.

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Isn't that pretty much the standard for all non-645 MF cameras?  The Hassy V series come with waist level finders.  All RB and RZ67s come with waist level finders.  I'm sure the Bronica GS-1 came with a waist level finder.  Nothing has changed.  The 45 degree finder has always been something you buy separately. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2007, 04:29:02 PM »
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Hi, Thierry,

I, for one, would love to hear what my favourite "Sinar guy" has to say about the handling!  

Also, I've seen the 48x48mm-sized sensor mentioned in the press release.  Would you happen to know if the maximum sensor size the Hy6 could handle is 56mm square, just like film?

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right, as a standard, the Sinar Hy6 will come with the waist level.

I have had this camera in hands today and made the first tests/shots: I won't say much, since you would say it comes from a Sinar guy, but you shall be surprised by its handling.

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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2007, 04:36:41 PM »
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Isn't that pretty much the standard for all non-645 MF cameras?  The Hassy V series come with waist level finders.  All RB and RZ67s come with waist level finders.  I'm sure the Bronica GS-1 came with a waist level finder.  Nothing has changed.  The 45 degree finder has always been something you buy separately. 
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Do you think buyers of MF cameras with MFDBs shoot primarily with waist level finders  or 45 deg. prisms? My guess is that there are an awful lot of potential customers for the Hy6 who would be quite put off by having to spend an extra $1500 or so for a 45 deg prism if that's the only way they would ever use the camera. I personally shoot with a tripod and find it "challenging" using a waist level finder shooting off a tripod.
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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2007, 04:57:43 PM »
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I tried to focus a Hassy recently, with a waistlevel, and found I simply couldn't do it anymore.

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Do you think buyers of MF cameras with MFDBs shoot primarily with waist level finders  or 45 deg. prisms? My guess is that there are an awful lot of potential customers for the Hy6 who would be quite put off by having to spend an extra $1500 or so for a 45 deg prism if that's the only way they would ever use the camera. I personally shoot with a tripod and find it "challenging" using a waist level finder shooting off a tripod.
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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2007, 06:31:40 PM »
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one of the advantages of a WLF is the much brighter image....of course  tracking movement left/right is tricky......but for portrait i find it still the best....

i thought the Hy6 would accept the 6008 finders? there are several available and prices are not that bad (on ebay)....

of course because the back can be....."rotated" on the Hy6, the prism finder will have quite a bit of black surrounding the image, which might be distracting....none of the 645s (hass, mamiya, contax) have to deal with that.....i know this from shooting with the RZ and the prism....although the actual image is bigger? then on my 645afdII, it feels smaller because there is so much black around it...(of course the RZ is "worse" then the Hy6, it is 6x7 instead of 6x6, so even more black) using the flip-up finder works well, but at that point i feel like i am a foot away from the camera......nothing is perfect....
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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2007, 11:08:35 PM »
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one of the advantages of a WLF is the much brighter image....of course  tracking movement left/right is tricky......but for portrait i find it still the best....

I have the WLF and 45 degree prism for the 6008 and find myself using the WLF at all times except when the camera is too high for me to look own into it. The image with the loop is so large and bright - it's a real pleasure to use.

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i thought the Hy6 would accept the 6008 finders? there are several available and prices are not that bad (on ebay)....

I wish that were so. I think the new viewfinder layout means that the old viewfinders are not compatible. I seem to remember hearing this from someone at F&H last year. Don't rely on it yet.
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2007, 11:37:34 PM »
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Right, Graham!

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I wish that were so. I think the new viewfinder layout means that the old viewfinders are not compatible. I seem to remember hearing this from someone at F&H last year. Don't rely on it yet.
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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2007, 12:22:19 AM »
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Right.

For me always was 35 and MF.

In the digital era, the same. Nothing has changed in my body. Still the same parts.

My EOS for fast, light work and MF in tripod, studio, with big, bright, contemplative, gorgeous WLF.

For 35, I'm set and totally happy (5D)
For MF now is either my beloved V or the temptress Hy6.
Thumbs down for the H3D

Congratulations all MF lovers. now we need sensor makers to follow suit and honor the efforts of this joint enterprise.

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one of the advantages of a WLF is the much brighter image....of course  tracking movement left/right is tricky......but for portrait i find it still the best....
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« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2007, 03:04:09 PM »
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Folks,

Here you are a quick synopsis of the major Hy6 changes: the new camera is equipped with a new AF-sensor (cross), new battery Li-Ion 7.2 V,  USB plug and some other features. You can fit all lenses from the 6000 system, as well extension tubes, interchangeable screens, magazine 4560. The finder system of the 6000 system will not fit as well the "old" magazines.  The mirror will be moved by linear motors and no longer by a gear plate. The interface for digital backs was optimized.
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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2007, 04:42:35 PM »
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Hehe, in any case the H3D will not take 48x48 sensors.

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What a mistake by Hasselblad, configuring the H3D so that it is optimized for a digital sensor that exists, rather than configuring it so that it is optimized for a 6x6 FILM BACK and a digital sensor that doesn't yet exist(and may never exist in commercially practical terms).
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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2007, 05:01:40 PM »
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Hehe, in any case the H3D will not take 48x48 sensors.

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is that what you are waiting for? it seems like you have been wanting to get into DMF for a WHILE now....

but i really doubt that the 48x48 sensor will be anywhere near the ZD or the canons when it will be announced, so i would start saving up.....


it was easy for F&H to make the Hy6 a 6x6.....they just updated the 6008.....

IF a larger sensor comes out, hasselblad will simply build a new camera for it...making the lenses should not be too hard (they already used to make them)....yes it will be expensive and yes it will be incompatible, but by offering trade-ins they can deal with that....
but either way...the larger sensor (larger then 645) would probably not fit in the Hy6 either, i doubt anyone would make a larger sensor in square format....


a 6x7 sensor...now that sounds interesting.....for RZ, fuji 680 and all 4x5 cameras......
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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2007, 07:12:05 PM »
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IF a larger sensor comes out, hasselblad will simply build a new camera for it...making the lenses should not be too hard (they already used to make them)....yes it will be expensive and yes it will be incompatible, but by offering trade-ins they can deal with that....

Yes, but they'll have to invent a new term to describe their new camera since full-frame now means 36x48 for them

It's just that as a journalist I love the contortions the PR people have to jump through


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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2007, 07:37:33 PM »
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Yes, but they'll have to invent a new term to describe their new camera since full-frame now means 36x48 for them

It's just that as a journalist I love the contortions the PR people have to jump through
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no it will just be "really full frame this time.....honest".....
i am just amazed with what people are willing to put up with...in terms of hasselblad abandoning systems...but i guess to some it is worth it....
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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2007, 08:26:24 PM »
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Maybe it is just me, but since the anouncemt of the Hy6 in Kina last year, I feel 99% certain that eventually we will have a 6X6 sensor to whine about (really expensive).

I may be wrong, but I have the feeling that even Hasselblad, can't keep up coming with new systems just like that. Imagine the "rollercoaster-like marketing. Poor guys, giv'em a beak!

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is that what you are waiting for? it seems like you have been wanting to get into DMF for a WHILE now....

but i really doubt that the 48x48 sensor will be anywhere near the ZD or the canons when it will be announced, so i would start saving up.....
it was easy for F&H to make the Hy6 a 6x6.....they just updated the 6008.....

IF a larger sensor comes out, hasselblad will simply build a new camera for it...making the lenses should not be too hard (they already used to make them)....yes it will be expensive and yes it will be incompatible, but by offering trade-ins they can deal with that....
but either way...the larger sensor (larger then 645) would probably not fit in the Hy6 either, i doubt anyone would make a larger sensor in square format....
a 6x7 sensor...now that sounds interesting.....for RZ, fuji 680 and all 4x5 cameras......
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