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« on: June 16, 2007, 10:29:41 PM »
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ALL WITH VALUE ADDED PRICING FROM US DEALERS ON THE EAST COAST IN ANY MOUNT

THESE PRICES I SEE POSSIBLE IF YOU COME IN WITH CASH OR YOUR CREDIT CARD READY TO PURCHASE.  NOT WITH FINANCING OR HEMMING AND HAWING.

PHASE ONE P30+  $15,000.00

PHASE ONE P25+  $18,000.00

PHASE ONE P45+  $21,000.00

LEAF APTUS 75S    $18,000.00

LEAF APTUS 54S    $12,000.00

HASSELBLAD H3D 39MP w/80MM & EXTRA LENS  $22,000.00

HASSELBLAD H3D 31MP w/80MM & EXTRA LENS $17,000.00

HASSELBLAD CF39 $18,000.00 W/ ONE PLATE

HASSELBLAD CF22 $14,000.00 W/ ONE PLATE

HASSELBLAD CFH BACKS FOR ABOUT TWO GRAND LESS ON EACH MP SIZE.

SOME PEOPLE HAVE PAID A LOT MORE BUT HAVE DONE SO BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE GOOD NEGOTIATION SKILLS.

YOU SHOULD NOT BE PAYING MORE UNLESS YOU ARE GETTING SOME KIND OF MAJOR PERSONAL INSTALL AND LESSONS  THAT YOU ARE PAYING EXTRA FOR.

HASSELBLAD HAS THE MOST OF AGGRESSIVE PRICING AND YOU CAN GET SOME MORE OUT OF THEM WHEN BUYING. THINGS LIKE EXTRA GRIPS & LENSES.  THEY WANT TO LOCK YOU INTO THE SYSTEM SO YOU CONTINUE TO BUY THE FUTURE BODY BACK COMBINATIONS.

THIS IS THE RESEARCH I HAVE DONE OVER THE PAST THREE WEEKS.
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2007, 11:27:56 PM »
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Good post. Pricing is a major consideration. I tried doing a Google search in Australia for the P45 and couldn't find anything definitive, No best buys or lowest price. In fact I was toitally confused as to what I should be paying.
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2007, 12:06:42 AM »
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This is terrific!  Thanks for posting this information.  I assume these prices are
for a 1 year warranty?  
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2007, 12:11:49 AM »
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wow, If only I could get a price like that up here in the midwest for a 54S I'd buy in a heart beat. . .
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2007, 08:19:29 AM »
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I have a bit of land in Florida that I would like to sell.  This guy knows nothing and you all eat it up like he does.  There is a past history of posts about BS that have no basis in reality.  Forums like this are damaged by this kind of meaningless dung.

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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2007, 08:25:03 AM »
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Very interesting, thanks a lot!

I wonder whether some of these dealers are willing to sell to customers not based in the US. If they do I might fly to NY some time in July...

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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2007, 09:54:55 AM »
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ALL WITH VALUE ADDED PRICING FROM US DEALERS ON THE EAST COAST IN ANY MOUNT

THESE PRICES I SEE POSSIBLE IF YOU COME IN WITH CASH OR YOUR CREDIT CARD READY TO PURCHASE.  NOT WITH FINANCING OR HEMMING AND HAWING.

PHASE ONE P30+  $15,000.00

PHASE ONE P25+  $18,000.00

PHASE ONE P45+  $21,000.00

LEAF APTUS 75S    $18,000.00

LEAF APTUS 54S    $12,000.00

HASSELBLAD H3D 39MP w/80MM & EXTRA LENS  $22,000.00

HASSELBLAD H3D 31MP w/80MM & EXTRA LENS $17,000.00

HASSELBLAD CF39 $18,000.00 W/ ONE PLATE

HASSELBLAD CF22 $14,000.00 W/ ONE PLATE

HASSELBLAD CFH BACKS FOR ABOUT TWO GRAND LESS ON EACH MP SIZE.

SOME PEOPLE HAVE PAID A LOT MORE BUT HAVE DONE SO BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE GOOD NEGOTIATION SKILLS.

YOU SHOULD NOT BE PAYING MORE UNLESS YOU ARE GETTING SOME KIND OF MAJOR PERSONAL INSTALL AND LESSONS  THAT YOU ARE PAYING EXTRA FOR.

HASSELBLAD HAS THE MOST OF AGGRESSIVE PRICING AND YOU CAN GET SOME MORE OUT OF THEM WHEN BUYING. THINGS LIKE EXTRA GRIPS & LENSES.  THEY WANT TO LOCK YOU INTO THE SYSTEM SO YOU CONTINUE TO BUY THE FUTURE BODY BACK COMBINATIONS.

THIS IS THE RESEARCH I HAVE DONE OVER THE PAST THREE WEEKS.
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Don't thank this man, because this is complete BS. I will say that again. This is complete BS. As a dealer for everything above except the Phase products, I can say that all of your prices are below dealer cost, some are even 20% or more below dealer cost.

I will not even go into my rant about buying from the lowest price "dealer" on a product like this, but instead buy for the most reasonable price from the dealer you trust the most. No, I won't even go there.

Instead, since you are so forthcoming on all of your "research", and are being so helpful to all of the readers of this forum, why stop there? You're such a helpful man. Why not go ahead and publish the names of those dealers where you received these prices? We're waiting.

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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2007, 11:08:17 AM »
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i know that prices are lower then what are the published list prices....but these prices are BS....i know, i got a P30 at a very good price....

you might remember that a P30+ just sold here in this forum for more then 15000.....

the problem is that phase, hass, leaf, sinar only sell through a handfull of dealers...(B&H does not carry phase or leaf....i have asked them why and they say that the margins and the support combined with the low interest make it not worthwile for them to even carry this stuff....) there are no grey market product out there.......

if some of these prices were true, by up the stuff and sell it on ebay.....you can easily sell a P45+ for 25000 on ebay...more if value added....

it comes down to: do your own research, call the dealers, card in hand, you might be surprised by the prices offered, but don't expect miracles....it also helps the dealers if you buy cameras/lights as well....the more you buy the more they can take off.....

H3D39 +80 +lens for 22000....please let me know where, i will buy 3.....and sell them for profit before i even have to pay the amex.....
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2007, 11:21:53 AM »
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I think anybody that reads these forums regularly knows not to believe a word that comes from JTPHOTO.

Search his other posts, he's full of BS and doesn't have the kahunas to reveal his real name or work.

He should be banned from this forum.

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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2007, 11:23:49 AM »
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Do yourself a big favor and do your own research.  Find a dealer or two that you will want to do business with and sit down and start talking to them.  My dealer (Capture Intergration in Atlanta GA) posts prices on their website for Phase One.  I got a better price from them because I began a relationship with them and they knew I was serious about buying my P30+.  If you allow yourself to be swayed by someone else without doing any of your own research you have no one to blame but yourself.  

I don't want to spend any more money that what I have to but on the other hand I am will to spend more to get good service and ensure that if/when I have a problem my dealer will be there for me.

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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2007, 02:23:10 PM »
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You know, this is at least the third thread in the last few days where the issue of MF digital pricing has come up.  See here:

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....showtopic=17555

and here

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....opic=17575&st=0

(hcubell's posts regarding pricing)

So, if you read these posts, you would think a P30+ costs somewhere between $15-23K, "depending on how good your bargaining skills are"!  

Steve, I'm willing to assume that you're correct about the "price list" that started this thread being BS.  But what would be helpful would be if you and the other dealers would actually publish prices on your websites.  That way, everyone knows what the deal is.

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Don't thank this man, because this is complete BS. I will say that again. This is complete BS. As a dealer for everything above except the Phase products, I can say that all of your prices are below dealer cost, some are even 20% or more below dealer cost.

I will not even go into my rant about buying from the lowest price "dealer" on a product like this, but instead buy for the most reasonable price from the dealer you trust the most. No, I won't even go there.

Instead, since you are so forthcoming on all of your "research", and are being so helpful to all of the readers of this forum, why stop there? You're such a helpful man. Why not go ahead and publish the names of those dealers where you received these prices? We're waiting.

Steve Hendrix
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Dealer for Hasselblad, Sinar and Leaf products
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2007, 02:44:50 PM »
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You know, this is at least the third thread in the last few days where the issue of MF digital pricing has come up. See here:

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....showtopic=17555

and here

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....opic=17575&st=0

(hcubell's posts regarding pricing)

So, if you read these posts, you would think a P30+ costs somewhere between $15-23K, "depending on how good your bargaining skills are"!

Steve, I'm willing to assume that you're correct about the "price list" that started this thread being BS. But what would be helpful would be if you and the other dealers would actually publish prices on your websites. That way, everyone knows what the deal is.
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Hendrix and Gallagher are straight-up folks.  I bought my P30+ from Gallagher and am super happy with his service and more importantly - attitude.  He knows the needs of photographers and what works for them.  I sold my P30 + because for my work - it is just not fast enough.  I'm looking into a P21 + or may continue on with the Canon's.  

Steve is a good guy -  he helped me out with an Aptus Screen for my Mamiya that has the same dimensions as the P30+ screen inserts.  Quick service and only available from Leaf - even though I did not  purchase a leaf product.

For me, buying service with a warranty is a less expensive alternative than dealing with the cheapest dealer.  A different mindset than going for the lowest price - but it works for me.

What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.

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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2007, 03:18:03 PM »
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You know, this is at least the third thread in the last few days where the issue of MF digital pricing has come up.  See here:

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....showtopic=17555

and here

http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....opic=17575&st=0

(hcubell's posts regarding pricing)

So, if you read these posts, you would think a P30+ costs somewhere between $15-23K, "depending on how good your bargaining skills are"! 

Steve, I'm willing to assume that you're correct about the "price list" that started this thread being BS.  But what would be helpful would be if you and the other dealers would actually publish prices on your websites.  That way, everyone knows what the deal is.
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William, whether you assume it or not, I am correct, since I sell the equipment. To assume I am not correct is to assume that I am not being truthful, and I know you wouldn't assume that.

The price that I sell a Hasselblad, Leaf or Sinar digital back is between me and the client I am working with. It is a private transaction between the customer and me. If the customer wishes to publicize it, that's their prerogative - I have no control over that.

The list prices for this equipment are published. The selling prices are not. Knowing the list price is a good start in terms of negotiating a price. I won't publicize my selling price because it is different for each customer. Which selling price am I supposed to publish?

But come on everyone - let's get real. Those of you who bought that price list have to be kidding yourselves, or have no real sense of economics. If I sell a Hasselblad HC lens, our margin from the manufacturer is 8%. Needless to say, we can't make a living selling those lenses. Dealers make a higher percentage on MFDB's, but to think that the margins are 40% or 50% is ridiculous.

You want advice on how to get the lowest price? Call the dealer with the worst service and support. That will save you a lot of time. Or, you could contact a dealer that's invested in these solutions that you trust and offers support, and form a relationship, and work with the dealer to come to a conclusion over the right solution. If you find a dealer like that, and there is some trust between you, you will get a good price. It may not be the lowest, but it won't be that far off.

However much more you spent in that transaction will vanish from your mind the first time you really need their help.

Steve Hendrix
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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2007, 03:44:30 PM »
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William, whether you assume it or not, I am correct, since I sell the equipment. To assume I am not correct is to assume that I am not being truthful, and I know you wouldn't assume that.

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Truthfullness and ignorance can coexist and rhetoric doesn't help anyone. Not saying that you don't know of course, or that you aren't aware that perhaps people can get stuff a lot cheaper than you sell. You know I wouldn't say that.
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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2007, 03:49:27 PM »
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One of the features of a dealer is how much he sells.

- If a dealer sells a lot he will have amortized the demo units, have spares on hand, and used products from trade-ins, and he will be able to use this leverage to provide interesting bundles and pricing.  He will also be able to get the manufacturer to respond to him instantly.

- A dealer who sells little will have an expensive investment in demo units, and will feel obligated to offset this by higher margins. His phone calls to the rep will get ignored because the rep is already full busy catering to the larger shops.

From the above I would guess that one would get better warranty service and maybe even pricing by going to the biggest dealer.

I'm sure there is a flaw in the above reasoning - but it does explain a lot of what I've seen when standing around camera shops.

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One of the features of a dealer is how much he sells.

- If a dealer sells a lot he will have amortized the demo units, have spares on hand, and used products from trade-ins, and he will be able to use this leverage to provide interesting bundles and pricing. He wil be able to give good trade-in values because he knows he can resell material easily to is customer pool. He will also be able to get the manufacturer to respond to him instantly.

- A dealer who sells little will have an expensive investment in demo units, and will feel obligated to offset this by higher margins. His phone calls to the rep will get ignored because the rep is already full busy catering to the larger shops.

From the above I would guess that one would get better warranty service and maybe even pricing by going to the biggest dealer.

I'm sure there is a flaw in the above reasoning - but it does explain a lot of what I've seen when standing around camera shops.

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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2007, 03:53:35 PM »
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Support is vital to the equation.  Having your dealers home, cell, mother's home phone numbers are worth more than you will ever save by "Walmarting" your way through the deal.  Find a good dealer and stick with them.  Hendrix and Gallagher are the kind that you want when something is not right.  They are two of the finest.

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Truthfullness and ignorance can coexist and rhetoric doesn't help anyone. Not saying that you don't know of course, or that you aren't aware that perhaps people can get stuff a lot cheaper than you sell. You know I wouldn't say that.
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I know - you wouldn't. But I know for a fact that no one is getting that equipment anywhere near those prices, at least not legitimately. It is a fact, which has nothing to do with my knowledge, ignorance or whatever, that all of those prices were significantly below dealer cost from the various manufacturers. MFDB manufacturers don't have little deals set up like that for anyone. Of that, I am completely knowledgeable.

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I know - you wouldn't. But I know for a fact that no one is getting that equipment anywhere near those prices, at least not legitimately. It is a fact, which has nothing to do with my knowledge, ignorance or whatever, that all of those prices were significantly below dealer cost from the various manufacturers. MFDB manufacturers don't have little deals set up like that for anyone. Of that, I am completely knowledgeable.

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Then i withdraw my snotty post.
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Then i withdraw my snotty post.
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Me too.
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