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Henry Goh
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« on: September 05, 2007, 01:03:47 AM »
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Seems to me after Frank Doorhof discovered "purple worms" and switched out of Mamiya ZD back, we don't hear of other owners complaining.  Either there are no new buyers for ZD/ZD backs or if there are, they are happy with their gear and have no issues.  Of course there is still problems with the Firewire which has been reported since day one but are there any good ZD sensors in use?  If there is a chance of finding a good sensor, I think the 22MP Mamiya cannot be beat on price for a long time to come.

So, is there any owner who can say that he is not having issues with either ZD camera or ZD back, notwithstanding the firewire problem?

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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2007, 02:00:06 AM »
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Hi,
I indeed am afraid some people over reacted.
The purple artifacts I mentioned were in the last back and according to Mamiya that should not be seen on the new backs or the backs before that batch, it was purely a QC issue with one batch.

I did mention this over and over

For it's price it's still a wonderful back.
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2007, 02:04:23 AM »
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I indeed am afraid some people over reacted.
The purple artifacts I mentioned were in the last back and according to Mamiya that should not be seen on the new backs or the backs before that batch, it was purely a QC issue with one batch.

I did mention this over and over

For it's price it's still a wonderful back.
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That is how I read it too Frank but I feel there must be many owners by now who are using ZD and have been lucky enough to have good backs.  I want to hear from these owners and see some of their images if possible.

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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2007, 02:24:22 AM »
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So, is there any owner who can say that he is not having issues with either ZD camera or ZD back, notwithstanding the firewire problem?

Henry
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hi,
 no problems whatsoever! (with the ZD camera)
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2007, 02:26:17 AM »
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Thanks Stefan!

Any particular image on your site that was shot with this camera?
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2007, 04:38:56 AM »
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Thanks Stefan!

Any particular image on your site that was shot with this camera?
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most of the furniture-photos, like these:

[a href=\"http://www.stefanmarquardt-architekturbild.de/reiss_detail/reiss_detail.html]http://www.stefanmarquardt-architekturbild...iss_detail.html[/url]
http://www.stefanmarquardt-architekturbild...sch-stuhl1.html
http://www.stefanmarquardt-architekturbild...te-stuehle.html
http://www.stefanmarquardt-architekturbild...fotografie.html
http://www.stefanmarquardt-architekturbild...er_theater.html
http://www.stefanmarquardt-architekturbild...eiss_tisch.html


the rest is mostly 5D and 1ds - and the older ones 4x5.
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2007, 05:23:27 AM »
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Hi
I have spent the last 4 days going into Sydney shooting APEC as a personal project with the ZD camera, 35 & 55-110 plus a pile of flash cards. No problems, I even shot with the 35mm @ 1/20 sec f 3.5 iso 125 & got a really good result hand held. It is a really amazing camera. Battery life has been excellent as I haven't viewed that many shots, shot 394 yesterday & did not change my battery @ about 19 C.
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2007, 05:42:52 AM »
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I have spent the last 4 days going into Sydney shooting APEC as a personal project with the ZD camera, 35 & 55-110 plus a pile of flash cards. No problems, I even shot with the 35mm @ 1/20 sec f 3.5 iso 125 & got a really good result hand held. It is a really amazing camera. Battery life has been excellent as I haven't viewed that many shots, shot 394 yesterday & did not change my battery @ about 19 C.
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Thanks for sharing this info Denis.
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2007, 08:38:56 AM »
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Thanks for sharing this info Denis.
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Like you Henry I am pulling for Mamiya on this one, but I believe both Stefan and Denis's results are from the ZD Camera and not an attached back to a 645 or RZ.  Hope I'm wrong!

Maybe they can comment.

Don
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2007, 08:45:31 AM »
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I have ZD camera, so far no problems, except dead firewire
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2007, 09:00:22 AM »
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I have ZD camera, so far no problems, except dead firewire
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How is it working with those long tonal range nude images you're doing?
Any chance you'd show a couple larger B&W images from this camera?
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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2007, 09:04:54 AM »
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I have ZD camera, so far no problems, except dead firewire
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  I don't have a ZD, but demo'ed one in a shop.. I was very impressed with the handling.
 Mamiya lenses are great value for money... I say this as a H1 user who can hardilly afford the lenses for this system.

 In this sense mamiya can be seen as a viable alternative to High end canon kit, but with the 22MP 1DsIII coming, I would have thought that the ZD is already on the drawing board with presumably the 33MP Full frame Dalsa chip to justify a higher retail price marketing wise. The MKII should be esier to get to market, as they can just swap sensors and upgrade the electronics.

 I hope a ZDMKII will be announced soon - nothing wrong with an early announcement as long as they keep to teh dealine more or less (thins time)!! This would be a real coup over Canon, who are inadvertantly eating into the MF digital market at hte bottom price bracked (the ZD serries)
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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2007, 09:05:40 AM »
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I agree.. seems like they have sold a lot of units but no body ringing in defending this back.
What is up?
I figure Either they have discovered a great deal and do not want to share..:+} Or they are extremely disappointed and embarrassed to comment?
I do not get it.
And most in here commenting have the Camera not the back. go figure.
The last examples posted here by steph were nice but they obviously were shot with a lot of light. I would personally like to see more people or fashion stuff shot with it.
I am on the hunt for soemthing. Just picked up some AFDII stuff. Only missing the back.
Stuck between Leaf and phase one and or SAVING big and ggetting a ZD for just studio portrait stuff as I will definetly be keeping my 1DsMII for catalogue etc...
Can some more people please post.
And preferably the BACK not the camera.
Snook
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« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2007, 09:09:48 AM »
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It is working really great. I will post 100% crops in the evening today or tomorrow.
ZD loves highlights, so I always overexpose 1.5 stops to get very clean shadows.


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How is it working with those long tonal range nude images you're doing?
Any chance you'd show a couple larger B&W images from this camera?
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« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2007, 09:41:22 AM »
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I would personally like to see more people or fashion stuff shot with it.
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hi, to be honest, for anything like people or fashion I would stick with mark tuckers advice on the "Valid MF criticism or not?" thread (http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=19198&st=120#)
and stick with the next canon and dpp. especialy the moire-possibility with fahion shots with the ZD (no aa-filter) would worry me.
I just recieved an very high quality printed broschure with my shots from 4x5, 1ds, 5d and ZD - I would have a hard time figuring out which photo came from which camera.
Don´t get me wrong - I realy like the ZD. But I always work from a tripod and often have to fight high contrast scenes. this is where the ZD shines: high dynamic range, good contrast, deep and powerfull shadows and absolutely wunderfull highlights.


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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2007, 10:05:12 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2007, 10:38:09 AM »
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Hi,
Sorry to tell you but check the left side of your picture, there you can see the purple stamps I was posting about.
You have to go full screen in the browser it's just to small but zoom in 1:1 and you can see them running down vertical.

With my defective back this was WAY worse and also on ISO200 very visable, however I do see it some other shots now also.
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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2007, 10:44:42 AM »
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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2007, 10:46:15 AM »
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That looks pretty good and even the 400 ASA shot does not look so bad but ofcourse it is with flash so that is a different story. I NEVER  shoot above 100 asa so that is not a problem. if I do, I'll grab the 1DsMII or 5DMII that I will get for sure for back up.
I also shoot with flash, in doors or out about 95% of the time also.
I was worry about Buffer and purple worms more than Noise as I never shoot above 100.
Does anybody know if the 50 asa option, true 50 asa or is it like Canon where you actually are not getting 50 asa.
Thanks for the comments.
I still find it strange that no body is posting anything about the ZD.
In any case for 6,999.00 it is hard to beat. I also never rely on my 1DsMII LCD that much either and I shoot tethered about a couple times a year also so that is no biggie either.
If Phase one or Leaf do not make me a good offer here son, I just might be checking out a ZD for the heck of it as it is not such a BIG investment.
B&H seems to get just a couple in and they sold out. I have not seen any more shipments in the last 3 weeks from them. What is the deal with getting a ZD back in the US.?
And how can you be assured not to get a back with the "worm" problem? Serial numbers ###?
Thanks
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