Ad
Ad
Ad
Pages: [1] 2 »   Bottom of Page
Print
Author Topic: Z3100 Wiki  (Read 7091 times)
rdonson
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1427



« on: September 07, 2007, 07:43:19 PM »
ReplyReply

I just wanted to let Z3100 users know about a wiki for the printer that Sean Pucket created.  

Z3100 wiki

I think its a great place to store information about the printer so that its easier to find than searches of this forum.

With Sean's help I've started to add some content.  I just added pages on APS, Tech Newsletters and Z3100 docs.  I'm hoping that other Z3100 owners will add content or comments or suggest things to me that they'd like to see in the wiki.  There's a lot of good info in the forum that I'd like to capture and place in the wiki.

Once the new firmware arrives I think there's going to be a flurry of learning and the desire to share info on paper types, ink limiting, profiles etc.

Comments, suggestions?
« Last Edit: September 07, 2007, 07:59:53 PM by rdonson » Logged

Regards,
Ron
garyfcampbell
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 41


« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2007, 05:45:54 PM »
ReplyReply

The Z3100 Wiki looks really useful, you have a good start.

I have been saving tips from the forum in a database and would be happy to add some of them to the Wiki if that is OK?

Gary
Logged
georgek
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 119


WWW
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2007, 04:46:36 AM »
ReplyReply

Wiki looks great and something that was missing.
Ron, do you think you should be having different sections for the Z3100 different models, like ps non ps and on top of that different firmware, operating systems, ethernet or USB? Or maybe users of the wiki after each tip or problem they can mention printer model, firmware and operating system...

George
Logged

rdonson
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1427



« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2007, 09:17:38 AM »
ReplyReply

Quote
The Z3100 Wiki looks really useful, you have a good start.

I have been saving tips from the forum in a database and would be happy to add some of them to the Wiki if that is OK?

Gary
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=138083\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]


Gary, please feel free to add content.  That's what wiki's are all about.  Let me know if you run into any problems.  I'll be happy to help.
Logged

Regards,
Ron
rdonson
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1427



« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2007, 09:19:40 AM »
ReplyReply

Quote
Wiki looks great and something that was missing.
Ron, do you think you should be having different sections for the Z3100 different models, like ps non ps and on top of that different firmware, operating systems, ethernet or USB? Or maybe users of the wiki after each tip or problem they can mention printer model, firmware and operating system...

George
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=138143\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

That's a number of good ideas, George.  In the "Media Results" Sean already included firmware but I think its a great idea to make sure that we reference OS, firmware, models, etc. in what we add there.
Logged

Regards,
Ron
iCrop
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 42


WWW
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2007, 10:53:45 AM »
ReplyReply

Ron -

Thanks for this.  It's a good start.

One thing needs addressing though, given the issues we’ve seen with the oil being sold by PartsHere, you may want to delete that link and redirect to the HP web site instead.

Mike
Logged
rdonson
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1427



« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2007, 11:47:36 AM »
ReplyReply

Quote
Ron -

Thanks for this.  It's a good start.

One thing needs addressing though, given the issues weve seen with the oil being sold by PartsHere, you may want to delete that link and redirect to the HP web site instead.

Mike
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=138430\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

Good idea, Mike.  I'll do that tonight.
Logged

Regards,
Ron
Mark Lindquist
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 343


« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2007, 10:19:49 PM »
ReplyReply

Hey Ron -

I just downloaded the tif images of the two types of profile targets you put up on the Wiki -
Wow - what a huge difference in the amount of colors.  That is really helpful to be able to see the difference.

So a question:

How small a sheet can the APS profile on?

Thanks for posting that - and I noticed the Epson Enhanced Matte profile as well - great.

Mark
Logged

rdonson
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1427



« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2007, 05:37:38 AM »
ReplyReply

Hey Mark,

I'm glad you found the posted targets helpful.  I was hoping that people might see the difference just as you did.

APS 1.3 can profile using A3 sheets, I believe.  Neil Snape has more knowledge on exactly how small it can go.  I can't imagine trying to profile a TC9.18 target from many sheets of letter sized paper but someone may think that's a good idea.  

I was going to create another Epson Enhanced Matte profile using with Litho-Realistic or Fine Art paper types to improve the reds but decided to wait as its being reported that the new firmware is very close to being released.

After the new firmware I hope to share more profiles.
Logged

Regards,
Ron
rdonson
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1427



« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2007, 02:35:10 PM »
ReplyReply

Quote
How small a sheet can the APS profile on?

Mark
[{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

In another thread Neil reports he can print down to A4 (basically 8.5x11).

This [a href=\"http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=19619]thread.[/url]
« Last Edit: September 18, 2007, 02:37:04 PM by rdonson » Logged

Regards,
Ron
Mark Lindquist
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 343


« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2007, 03:56:30 PM »
ReplyReply

Quote
In another thread Neil reports he can print down to A4 (basically 8.5x11).

This thread.
[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=140246\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

Yes - I saw that - very cool.

I'm trying to decide if I should go for the APS - it's very tempting.
Appreciate the help you guys are giving-

Mark
Logged

casterle
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 63


« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2007, 05:03:57 PM »
ReplyReply

Quote
APS 1.3 can profile using A3 sheets, I believe. Neil Snape has more knowledge on exactly how small it can go. I can't imagine trying to profile a TC9.18 target from many sheets of letter sized paper but someone may think that's a good idea.
I was looking for some inexpensive paper to practice with so I bought a box of HP Advanced Photo Paper (Glossy) and a box of HP Everyday Matte, both 8 1/2 x 11. I profiled both papers using the largest APS target (TC9.18?).

Here's how APS handles small paper: it prompts you for one sheet at a time until it's printed the entire set of colors, then prompts you to feed them back in one at a time to scan them. For 8 1/2 x 11 paper, that's 6 sheets per profile. I think it's great that the system is smart enough to do this.

This may be obvious, but when you feed the printed sheets back in to the printer, they go in the same way they came out when you were printing them - with the color edge first and the edge nearest the printing last. This is the opposite of the direction implied by the diagram displayed by APS. If you feed them the wrong way, no harm is done - the system is smart enough to error out and you get to try again.

The advantage of profiling small sheets is that you learn patience, and the paper has lots of time to dry between printing and scanning. The printer apparently warms up its light source before each sheet is scanned, which takes several minutes.

I doubt if anyone here is interested in cheap paper profiles, but you never know. Ill be glad to share them if you tell me which files you need and how to put them on your Wiki.
Logged
rdonson
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1427



« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2007, 05:35:49 PM »
ReplyReply

Thanks so much for sharing the experience.  It may be practical as sometimes its easier to test new paper in 8.5x11 sheets and as long as you get at least 25 sheets you've got enough to profile and play with.

Add your profiles to the wiki shouldn't be hard.  You're already a member so the drill should be:

- go to the "Profiling and Profiles" page
- click on "edit this page"
- input your info into a row in the table - add your profile
- save the page

To upload the profile:

1. Press the green tree icon to insert images or files
2. A new window (images & files) pops up providing you the opportunity to find the file on your machine
3. Upload the file
4. Double click the new file (your profile) in the images & files window to add it to the page



Let me know if this isn't clear.  I'm happy to help.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2007, 05:38:12 PM by rdonson » Logged

Regards,
Ron
neil snape
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1433


WWW
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2007, 07:48:14 AM »
ReplyReply

I added a profile in the files section as in Safari the Wiki page doesn't look like Windows.
I would be glad to upload any APS profiles you like.

Ps the spectro doesn't actually warm up the lights which are LEDs. It does however a deep calibration including dark count , known as zeroing. A few other proprietary things necessary for the unique Z application of the spectro.
Logged
casterle
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 63


« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2007, 09:14:37 AM »
ReplyReply

Quote
Thanks so much for sharing the experience.
You're welcome. And thanks to you for the Wiki!

Quote
It may be practical as sometimes its easier to test new paper in 8.5x11 sheets and as long as you get at least 25 sheets you've got enough to profile and play with.
These were 100-sheet boxes. Before my printer arrived I ordered samples from several different companies. I was disappointed to see that most companies included only 2 or 3 sheets of each type. Pretty useless as it turns out. Since they charged me for the samples, I wish they would have given me the option of paying a bit more and getting enough paper to be useful.

Quote
Let me know if this isn't clear.  I'm happy to help.
I'm not sure what to enter for 'Perceptual Rendering' and 'Light Source'. I don't remember having to make either of these choices, and don't know enough yet to have made an intelligent choice anyway.

As I recall, perceptual rendering relates to intent in mapping from one color space to another, and light source would represent something like sunlight, incandescent , tungsten, etc. I'm not sure how D-number map to these (or if they do). Is this right?

I'm totally confused about color spaces and how RGB values relate to them. Once I've had a chance to read 'Color Confidence', which will be a while, I'll probably be back to ask pesky questions.

When I got into this, I knew there would be a lot of learning but I really had no idea how much! Good thing I can take my time and learn as I go...
Logged
casterle
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 63


« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2007, 09:15:39 AM »
ReplyReply

Quote
Ps the spectro doesn't actually warm up the lights which are LEDs. It does however a deep calibration including dark count , known as zeroing. A few other proprietary things necessary for the unique Z application of the spectro.
Thanks for clearing that up, Neil.
Logged
rdonson
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1427



« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2007, 10:00:16 AM »
ReplyReply

Quote
I'm not sure what to enter for 'Perceptual Rendering' and 'Light Source'. I don't remember having to make either of these choices, and don't know enough yet to have made an intelligent choice anyway.

[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=140404\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

If you created profiles in APS the default for Perceptual Rendering is "neutral gray" and the default for Light Source is "D50".  That's probably what you used.
Logged

Regards,
Ron
rdonson
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1427



« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2007, 10:08:18 AM »
ReplyReply

Quote
As I recall, perceptual rendering relates to intent in mapping from one color space to another, and light source would represent something like sunlight, incandescent , tungsten, etc. I'm not sure how D-number map to these (or if they do). Is this right?

I'm totally confused about color spaces and how RGB values relate to them. Once I've had a chance to read 'Color Confidence', which will be a while, I'll probably be back to ask pesky questions.

When I got into this, I knew there would be a lot of learning but I really had no idea how much! Good thing I can take my time and learn as I go...
[{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]

The beauty of the Luminous Landscape is that we have a number of top notch CM gurus who follow some of these forums.  I'm sure if you've got questions they'll get answered by some of the best brains around.

Perceptual rendering is about how to map colors that are out of gamut not from one color space to another.
[a href=\"http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/color-space-conversion.htm]Rendering Intents link 1[/url]
Rendering Intents link 2

D50 refers to the color temp of the light for example, D50 can be thought of as a 5000K light source.  Wikipedia on color temp
« Last Edit: September 19, 2007, 10:16:44 AM by rdonson » Logged

Regards,
Ron
casterle
Jr. Member
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 63


« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2007, 12:53:03 PM »
ReplyReply

rdonson: Thanks for the information and pointers. Like I said, I've got a lot to learn  . Luminous Landscape's a treasure!

I've uploaded my profiles:

 HPAdvancedPhotoGlossGEOff.icc
 HPEverydayPhotoMatte.icc.

Each of these files was 1,636 KB.

When I was looking for the profiles, I found 3 other files that I did not (conciously) create:

HP_Z3100_HPAdvancedPhotoGloss,GEON.icc
HP_Z3100_HPAdvancedPhotoGloss,GEOFF.icc
HP_Z3100_HPEverydayMatte.icc

Each of these files was severl hundred KB smaller than the profiles I uploaded. They were created on the same days that I profiled my paper.

Did I upload the right files (I think I did)? Do you know what these other files are for?

Thanks!
« Last Edit: September 19, 2007, 01:14:29 PM by casterle » Logged
rdonson
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1427



« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2007, 01:14:01 PM »
ReplyReply

Thanks so much!!!  You've uploaded the proper profiles.  I'm not sure about the other profiles.  The look about the same size as though supplied by HP.  You can look at them as a text file and poke around to see what you learn about them.
Logged

Regards,
Ron
Pages: [1] 2 »   Top of Page
Print
Jump to:  

Ad
Ad
Ad