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Author Topic: What monitor? Eizo VS Dell? 2007WFP vs s1931  (Read 6850 times)
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« on: September 20, 2007, 09:44:26 AM »
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Hello

I could really use your advise about 2 monitors, Eizo s1931 and Dell 2007WFP

The eizo is 19 inch, aspect ratio of 5:4 (not very good for 3:2 photography)
The Dell is 16:10 wide screen (much more usefull)

Im interested in the differences of Image Quality between the Eizo and the Dell, supposedly ill buy a spyder calibrator and calibrate the Dell to have accurate colors (as Eizo comes from the factory calibrated)

Would Dell be able to show similar color response to Eizo? would it be good enough for photo editing and printing?

would it almost-as-good black color details for b&w post processing(im coming from crt)?
or would the eizo 10-bit processing would be much better in b&w? (30% of my photos are b&w)

Edit- Another good option seems ViewSonic VX2025wm.

I would go with the dell, but my main concern being black color detail&depth.
I am not intrested in larger 22 and 24 monitors, and dont have the budget for Eizo S2031W
thanx!
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2007, 11:32:50 AM »
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Not to put a wrench into your list, I have to say the new NEC 2690 WUXi is making me real happy. Part of this is due to the NEC technologies like GammaComp provided and part is the software provided (SpectraViewII not pretty but it turns this into a true 'smart monitor' with one button to push calibration). Purity is excellent, the on board controls are intuitive. Its a pretty wide gamut unit (93% of Adobe RGB (1998)).
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2007, 11:59:35 AM »
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Hi Frosti,

though I got two Dells, my next monitor will be an NEC xx90series and probably the one digitaldog is talking about.
To me, that seems to be the best compromise, quality vs cost and the EIZO you are looking at, you might as well go for the cheaper Dell.

Having said that, my two Dell calibrates very well with a iOne

good luck

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2007, 12:02:33 PM »
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Not to put a wrench into your list, I have to say the new NEC 2690 WUXi is making me real happy. Part of this is due to the NEC technologies like GammaComp provided and part is the software provided (SpectraViewII not pretty but it turns this into a true 'smart monitor' with one button to push calibration). Purity is excellent, the on board controls are intuitive. Its a pretty wide gamut unit (93% of Adobe RGB (1998)).
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Hello Andrew,

do you have the SV spectraView version? If so, what do you get with SV version that is not in the standard - is there any difference between the SV and the standard ?
Here in Oz, non of the supplies have the SV version

thanks

Henrik

PS: If I already have a iOne - do I need the SV?
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2007, 12:19:08 PM »
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Hello Andrew,

do you have the SV spectraView version? If so, what do you get with SV version that is not in the standard - is there any difference between the SV and the standard ?
Here in Oz, non of the supplies have the SV version

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I have the SpectraView II software yes. I think there's only one version. It runs the display calibrating via DDC, quick and easy. You can even have multiple calibration targets and switch on the fly using the software, much as I can do with the Artisan. You can use your EyeOne Display (that's what I'm using).
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2007, 05:22:55 PM »
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Can someone explain / justify the price difference?

NEC LCD 2690 WUXi = $1699

NEC LCD 2180 WG-LED = $3799
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2007, 05:39:49 PM »
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Not to put a wrench into your list, I have to say the new NEC 2690 WUXi is making me real happy. Part of this is due to the NEC technologies like GammaComp provided and part is the software provided (SpectraViewII not pretty but it turns this into a true 'smart monitor' with one button to push calibration). Purity is excellent, the on board controls are intuitive. Its a pretty wide gamut unit (93% of Adobe RGB (1998)).
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Well, actually i've read that the nec is preety good, but where i live its about 3 times more expensive then the dell and eizo.
my budget is 600$


anyhow, ive read about ViewSonic vx2025wm that it may have better IQ then the dell, its abit more expensive also,

all im interested in is good color reproduction,color accuracy(not critical accuracy, just enough to have a good print)
im also interested in doing ALOT of PP, especially b&w conversions(need good black details)

Please advice me if the Dell 2007wfp/ViewSonic could be sufficient for the task, or i should be getting the 19 inch 5:4 Eizo monitor (wich i prefer not to do because i belive that 5:4 aspect ratio is a waste)
And which could be better Dell or Viewsonic? (viewsonic is 150$ cheaper in US, but here its 150$ more expensive then Dell)

UPDATE > Also would like to hear your opinion on which monitor is better for photoshop and PP, 16:10 or 5:4?

Thanx alot for any help!
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2007, 06:02:19 AM »
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Can someone explain / justify the price difference?

NEC LCD 2690 WUXi = $1699

NEC LCD 2180 WG-LED = $3799
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mHi Paul,

the later is the WG - Wide Gamut - something like 99% AdobeRGB and then it is an LED as oppose to LCD

hmm, thats not a bad price!? compared to Oz

Henrik

PS: please correct me if I got something wrong here
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2007, 09:01:22 AM »
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mHi Paul,

the later is the WG - Wide Gamut - something like 99% AdobeRGB and then it is an LED as oppose to LCD

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One is using LED's for the backlight (and at one time, this pup cost $5K). This is the wave of the future for LCD displays if the price comes down (or something better technology finally shows). We're talking three colored LED's too, not one like the new Apple units which really only help with energy usage and maybe evenness over the screen.

The 2690 has 93% of the Adobe RGB gamut, the LED a tad more (something like 103%). But its a CCFL unit (Fluorescent lights). Still, for the money, I really like it. I had the LED but NEC made me send it back (and I listened to them, what a dummy). I really loved that unit but at this price point, forget it.
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2007, 11:48:46 AM »
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The NEC 2690 looks nice from a gamut perspective. I'm going to be building a new system soon and replacing my aging 20" Sony CRT. I've considered the 30" Dell and Apple LCDs and other large LCDs but I think two smaller (19-20") LCDs would work better for me.

Does NEC have monitors similar to the 2690 in performance in the smaller sizes?
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2007, 12:04:09 PM »
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Does NEC have monitors similar to the 2690 in performance in the smaller sizes?
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Sort of. There's a smaller unit that doesn't have the wider gamut (its sRGB) but uses the same software and your puck of choice.
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2007, 03:30:21 PM »
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Have  been using the Dell 2407 for over a year with good results along with a Monaco Optix XR.  Calibration usually lasts for two months.  Average dE will vary, but in my case is 1.05 and seems to drift down over a days use.  i.e. to .97, etc.

Usually evaluate the calibration when turned on each day as a check to make sure all is well.  That is done after a minimum of one hour of monitor warm up to stabilize any variables.

For the price, the Dell is a good monitor.  If I had the bucks I would elect for an a high dollar Ezio or a high end NEC.  i.e. a nice tax deduction

One thing to keep in mind is viewing angles.  Most have vary wide look angles, but what is more important is that the image does not change in contrast, brightness or color when it is moved from place to place on the screen.  On a Sony LCD that was the issue and is thus being used for email and not for any photo work.

Jim
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