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samuel_js
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« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2007, 11:17:53 AM »
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The Schneider or Zeiss lenses for the Rollei(Hy6) have their own signature.
I know a very well known fashion shooter that stays away from the H (Fuji) glass.
He prefers the Zeiss glass on his Contax 645.
Apparently the H glass flares like crazy when shooting into the light(sun)


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Tha H series is the most used by fashion photographers. The reason why a few fashion shooters stay away from Fuji glass is because it's almost too sharp for skin tones. But most of them know how to deal with it.
This is how a 35mm flares. 1/500 f.11. No filter at all. Not too bad I think.




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Sure Willem,

I have been told the Fuji glass stinks as well. Now I have been using it for a while and it isn't halve as bad as I expected.

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The only problem I've seen with fuji glass is the 50-110 zoom's bokeh.
Rest of the H series are excellent. The H series has actually much better contrast than Zeiss.

A bit of a surprise for a few can be that the Contaxt/Zeiss glass is actually made in Japan. Just look at your lenses. Not german purity...

Zeiss have the name but not quite the edge anymore.
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« Reply #41 on: October 17, 2007, 01:18:16 PM »
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the schneider lenses for the Hy6/Afi/6008/... are the best lenses available....period....i have owned several and they easily beat even their zeiss equivalent (there are several zeiss/schneider lenses in the same focal lenght for the 6008)....as much as i love the mamiya 80mm 645, it is simply not in the same category...neither are the H lenses.....fuji made some amazing lenses for the 680 system that might be close, but the schneiders for rollei are totally above anything....add to that the stats: 1/1000 fastest shutter available from any lens, 6x6 coverage (comes in handy with T/S or on the X-act), 180/f2.8...any questions? nobody even tries to make lenses like that.....
and most of all: there are tons of used lenses out there for much better prices...snach them up now....
i am not sure why anyone would buy the body alone anyway (other then as a back-up) and i am sure if someone walked in and bought a Hy6 or AFi and a second body and some lenses.....i am sure someone is willing to make a deal....
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« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2007, 01:58:14 PM »
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add to that the stats: 1/1000 fastest shutter available from any lens, 6x6 coverage (comes in handy with T/S or on the X-act), 180/f2.8...any questions? nobody even tries to make lenses like that.....
and most of all: there are tons of used lenses out there for much better prices...snach them up now....
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You can also add the prices:

Super Angulon 50 2.8 AFD HFT PQs - $5,142
Xenotar 80 2.8 AFD PQs - $3,098 (this price for the kit lens?    )
Tele-Xenar 180 2.8 AFD PQ - $5,864


[span style=\'font-size:14pt;line-height:100%\']14086$[/span]
That's what you pay only for three lenses.

Down here in Earth you can buy a complete medium-format-digital-kit for that or very near price, and you won't see loss of quality. But all depends on what you want to do with your money.
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« Reply #43 on: October 17, 2007, 02:17:13 PM »
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As much as I would like the new AFI camera for my Aptus back, it is just out of my price range. I guess i am now looking to stay H mount and get a hasselblad used or new.
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« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2007, 02:18:24 PM »
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I've got 9 Rollei lenses and I paid nothing like the prices above.

All you have to do is look around a bit and you'll find some real bargains.
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« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2007, 02:25:04 PM »
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Sorry, I don't want to get into most of this, but I don't understand the "coverage" isssue.

If the lens image circle is circular, and it covers 645, why does it not also cover 6x6?  

The 645 is 56mm x 42mm, the 6x6 is 56mm x 56mm.

It really doesn't matter which "side" that 56mm fits on.  It should fit horizontal or vertical within the circle.  

Should really be no difference in coverage between the lenses?

Now digital only lenses for a 36x24 sensor are a different question.

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« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2007, 02:29:42 PM »
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MMurph, the diagonal of 56x42 is 70mm; the diagonal of 56x56 is about 79mm.  So a lens for 645 has to cover a 70mm circle, and a lens for 6x6 has to cover a 79mm circle.   That's the difference being discussed.
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« Reply #47 on: October 17, 2007, 03:06:37 PM »
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Zeiss have the name but not quite the edge anymore.
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In hunting optics there has been a switch among the top users from Zeiss to Swarowski (http://www.swarovskioptik.at/) what I hear is that Zeiss is lagging behind on developments, and that the quality that once was still is, just not upgraded to keep up with the competition (so... left behind i guess is what I'm trying to say.)

[span style=\'font-size:8pt;line-height:100%\'](This is of course just my experience, Zeiss may well be far ahead in many other geographic and social scenes...)[/span]

My H-glass has served me very well, im particularly fond of the 100 f2.2 as well as the 210 (but i dont use it enough, a shame really.)

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« Reply #48 on: October 17, 2007, 03:28:12 PM »
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MMurph, the diagonal of 56x42 is 70mm; the diagonal of 56x56 is about 79mm.

Thanks!  After 30 years you would think I would know that.    

Can I just pretend I am an "artiste" and I don't concern myself with technical things?

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Michael
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« Reply #49 on: October 17, 2007, 04:48:08 PM »
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Here's another with both H and V orientation of the 645 sensor (to scale).

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« Reply #50 on: October 17, 2007, 05:27:54 PM »
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hasselblad 28mm - $3875
Mamiya 28mm - $5294

Prices from B&H, seems like a bit of a difference to me!
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Indeed, I was not aware of this difference in the US market. The gap is basically zero here in Japan.

I guess that the difference in lens coverage relay plays for wides (Mamiya's 28 mm covers the full 6x45).

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Bernard
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« Reply #51 on: October 17, 2007, 06:00:09 PM »
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Hi
The Hy6 has some big advantages.
1. It is a new system
2. Each camera body Sinar & Leaf are dedicated to those backs.
3. German glass & I think people will pay  the extra price.
4. For vertical shooting you rotate the back not the camera. Much easier to work on a tripod!
5. Will keep up with the speed of the new Aptus backs great for fashion & people. The H3DII is 1.4 f/s. The new Aptus backs will range from .8 to 1.1 f/s which is much faster.
6. The chip can get bigger...48x48 or 56x56 plus these new lenses are designed for it.
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« Reply #52 on: October 17, 2007, 06:14:01 PM »
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Hi
The Hy6 has some big advantages.
1. It is a new system
2. Each camera body Sinar & Leaf are dedicated to those backs.
3. German glass & I think people will pay  the extra price.
4. For vertical shooting you rotate the back not the camera. Much easier to work on a tripod!
5. Will keep up with the speed of the new Aptus backs great for fashion & people. The H3DII is 1.4 f/s. The new Aptus backs will range from .8 to 1.1 f/s which is much faster.
6. The chip can get bigger...48x48 or 56x56 plus these new lenses are designed for it.
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One correction - H3DII cameras range from 1.2 to 1.4 f/s.

Also, some may question whether a new system is an advantage. The choice of a new system is certainly an advantage to buyers. Choices enable competition and competition is a good thing.

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« Reply #53 on: October 17, 2007, 07:11:46 PM »
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Indeed, I was not aware of this difference in the US market. The gap is basically zero here in Japan.

MAC - Mamiya America Corp - has always been outrageously expensive on some items.

The Mamiya 7II used to cost literally 1/2 as much in the UK as in the US. Hence all of the MAC warnings about "grey market" on their web site.     Of course the weak dollar has eliminated that option anyway.

Who cares about warranty when you can buy an extra backup body for "free" though?  

Thanks on the coverage thing, all 3 posts were helpful. I shoot 4x5 too, you think I would get it. But I also take pain pills, so ....

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Michael
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