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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2007, 11:13:15 AM »
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Thanks Billy, much appreciated!

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KaptureGroup's GX680 rotating + shifting adapter for V-mount  digital backs:
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2007, 12:09:52 PM »
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Dear Sam (and to answer Johannes as well),

I have forwarded your request to our product manager, and explained in detail what would be the advantages. I can assure you that it is on the wish/improvement list. However, some other things have currently and obviously priority.

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I am baffled that seems some sort of radical idea.

I floated it ages ago

it should be blindingly obvious to a 'product manager'

it should have been in the inital specs meeting three years ago

being the one way that the extra glass (and money) actually becomes of use to 645 chip owners

do this and you have a camera that actually becomes more attractive than the H1, which at the moment I can see no significant advantage and many significant disadvantages like cost and wideangle

and with no significant advantage I cant see that you will sell many at all

luck to you

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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2007, 12:25:25 PM »
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I totally agree with Sam. The shifting possibility would give you a sort of Flexbody, a way to really use the larger image circle of the lenses. Amazing indeed this was not in the plans from the start  

That way you can go wide, with stitching get to an enormous resolution, etc..

(sure not always usable)
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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2007, 02:02:08 PM »
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just looked at the bundle pdf....and i have seen it before....don't egt me wrong but i don't see how the 90 finder is NOT included with this offer? it states very clearly that it is...and the case...and the warranty....either way....i am glad this comes at a VERY competitive price and the 5 year hot swap for body, lens and back is a real killer....raises the bar considerably....
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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2007, 06:58:13 PM »
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What should have baffled you as well is how to connect all contacts between the body and the back.

You beat me to it. It's not so simple, but it would be a real asset for reasons already pointed out (easy high-res stitches, shift on every lens, wider angles) and set the Hy6 system apart.
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« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2007, 07:19:51 PM »
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I would assume that the possibility for a lateral shift of the back to be minimal.
The reason for this would be the image circle of the current lens range.
Still 5mm each way would be fantastic!
Good luck to the engineers!
Maybe in those situations the back can be fired with a cable?
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« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2007, 08:26:44 PM »
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billy, have you used one of these adaptors? it would be cooler to have one on an rz67, more lens choices and faster than the fuji options.

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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2007, 09:27:45 PM »
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Dear Sam,

I fully and totally agree with your comments, except that it is "blindingly obvious to a product manager". I did not say that this idea was not a tought we had. Simply, and here you are right, it was not included in the specs from the begining. There are many other other features/accessories to be included in such a system, that all cannot be done at the same time. After, it is a question of priorities and feedback from the market, which leads to some thoughts of costs/volume of sales/rentability and last but not least feasability and capacity for engeneering/designing and production. This seems so obvious and easy for some of you, also for me, I must admit, but the reality is very different.

So I am sure that this is something we will look at seriously, when the time has come and all other "pendings" are done, like the revolving adapter which has been integrated and is now in production  phase.

Thanks anyway for such valuable feedback.

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I am baffled that seems some sort of radical idea.

I floated it ages ago

it should be blindingly obvious to a 'product manager'

it should have been in the inital specs meeting three years ago

being the one way that the extra glass (and money) actually becomes of use to 645 chip owners

do this and you have a camera that actually becomes more attractive than the H1, which at the moment I can see no significant advantage and many significant disadvantages like cost and wideangle

and with no significant advantage I cant see that you will sell many at all

luck to you

S
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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2007, 09:35:32 PM »
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- Sinar Hy6 Body                 $4,381.00        €3,155.00

Does this include an eMotion adapter? If not, how much is the adapter? The body alone is not usable.
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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2007, 09:51:11 PM »
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just looked at the bundle pdf....and i have seen it before....don't egt me wrong but i don't see how the 90 finder is NOT included with this offer? it states very clearly that it is...and the case...and the warranty....either way....i am glad this comes at a VERY competitive price and the 5 year hot swap for body, lens and back is a real killer....raises the bar considerably....
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Dear Paul.

I am sorry for the confusion.  You are looking at two different things.  One is the price that we have announced  that we are charging for a "Bundle" which includes a WL finder, 80mm lens, eMotion 75LV back and a Hy6 body.  The other is a promotion for those who buy the items listed in that particular ad before the first of the year.  They will receive a 5 year "SinarCare" warranty on that particular list of items which includes a 90 degree viewfinder.  We have decided you can also receive the 5 year warranty without including the 90 degree viewfinder, but either way, the 90 degree viewfinder is not included in the :Bundle" price of $32,500.  We have not published anything that says the $32,500 "Bundle" includes the 90 degree viewfinder.  The promotion ad does not list how much that list of items will cost, just that the 5 year SinarCare warranty will be included.

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« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2007, 10:09:26 PM »
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Does this include an eMotion adapter? If not, how much is the adapter? The body alone is not usable.
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Dear Graham,

This price does not include an interface.  The body price alone is listed for those that might want to add a film back and do not need an interface.  The interface for a Sinar eMotion 75LV is $559.00.

Sincerely,

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« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2007, 12:31:00 AM »
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What should have baffled you as well is how to connect all contacts between the body and the back.
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The main point is the system currently has no USP (unique selling point) to justify a cost of change IMO

With a USP the system could be a sucess - without one - I am not so sure

It is that lack of USP at the design stage (product managers job??) that confuses me

I just cant see how a salesman would try and sell me this system

"Hi -  spend $20000 dollars with us on changing system"

me - do I get faster lenses ?

salesman - no

me do I get wider lenses ??

salesman - no

me - do I get multipoint AF Huh

salesman - no

me - rise fall Huh??

salesman - no

me tilt shift HuhHuh

salesman - no

me stitching HuhHuh??

me - compact camera standard live view Huh?

salesman - no

me - can I program my own exposure modes and integrate auto ISO Huh?

salesman - no

me - can I set my own AF ranges to stop focus hunt?

salesman - no

me - VR maybe?

salesman - no

me - leaves shop confused

 Its not a great pitch is it ?

Maybe its all about a future chip


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In terms of the cabling of course it is a challenge - but that will be made harder by too much unnessesary comunitcation

I cant really see, apart from the firing what needs to be comunicated

A camera is just a AF mirror box after all

SO maybe Exif data would be lost - but who cares - I dont really care to know my settings

decent exif data only has relevance for lens correction software or proper live view or chip based AF all features which are currently absent from this system anyway

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ps. Here is a cabling solution ...

Spend about $5 at radio shack on an peanut sized IR transmitter/reciver set

plug them into the PC sockets of body and back

oversimplified but you get the idea.

S
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« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2007, 04:07:18 AM »
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Morgan_Moore, it depends which questions you ask.

- Do I get a wider choice of compatible lenses?

yes

- Can I use a waist level finder in portrait and landscape modes?

yes

- Do I get faster flash sync?

yes

- Is it ready for larger sensors?

yes

- Do I get faster AF?

yes (according to early reports)

- Do I have a wider choice of digital backs to choose from?

yes

- Can the lenses and back be used on a view camera?

yes

- Can I change orientation by rotating the back and not the whole camera?

yes


Of course it would be only better to add more unique selling points, and it sounds like either a larger sensor or a shifting back will become a reality before long.

Oh, and I agree with your point about the sync cable. It's better to have the shift back which requires a cable than no shift back at all. I'm already dreaming about the results I could get with my 40mm lens and an effective 48x56mm sensor.
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« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2007, 04:20:12 AM »
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- Can I use a waist level finder in portrait and landscape modes?

yes this is great

- Do I get faster flash sync?

only 17%

- Is it ready for larger sensors?

yes but I already have my sensor and for editorial shooters square is not the norm

- Do I get faster AF?

yes maybe but being centre point it is still basically only a focus aid

- Do I have a wider choice of digital backs to choose from?

yes but I alreaddy have a back

- Can the lenses and back be used on a view camera?

yes a discontinued one and one made by a third party, the lenses dont go on sinar view cameras and the boack doesnt without changing the mount !

- Can I change orientation by rotating the back and not the whole camera?

yes - fantastic


So for rich big style fashion cataloge shooters IMO this camera is the mutts nuts absolutely - i'll have two please when I get that gig
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« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2007, 04:29:05 AM »
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- Do I get faster flash sync?

only 17%

---> comment Thierry: 14 lenses out of some 20+ available for this system are PQS = Sync at 1/1000

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- Can the lenses and back be used on a view camera?

yes a discontinued one and one made by a third party, the lenses dont go on sinar view cameras and the boack doesnt without changing the mount !

---> comment Thierry: I don't get it. Yes, you have to change the mount/adapter. BUT ALL Sinarbacks fit ANY view camera, Sinar or not
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« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2007, 04:32:47 AM »
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yes but I alreaddy have a back

Aren't we discussing the hypothetical advantages of you changing over to this system from another? That is my understanding of your earlier post. If so, already having a back becomes immaterial.
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« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2007, 04:34:18 AM »
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Sam,you really amaze me.  
If you don't like the Hy6,just move on and don't buy it.
Remember ,a camera or camera system is only a means to an end.
There is no ultimate camera system,however the Hy6 will fulfill 95% of my needs.
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« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2007, 06:46:31 AM »
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It has 25% faster flash sync (if going from 1/800th to 1/1000th) if I am not mistaken?

The ability to change the mount is, for me, a very strong point. On the CF it is a breeze (don't tighten the torx' to much), I expect it to be the same on the Sinar.

Willem is right, there is no ultimate camera system. The Hy6/Afi has some features I really appreciate and so do other systems. Which is probably why I seem to collect stuff but each has its purposes (at least that is what I use as an explanation towards the evergrowing pile of equipment).
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« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2007, 06:52:33 AM »
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Many great selling points. I specifically like the Schneider glass and low mirror vibration.

Tell me about the 10shot mode within a second. How can I use that? Can I do a 16shot within 1.6 seconds?    
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« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2007, 07:00:10 AM »
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Dear EPd,

I did not dare to mention again the same, since it was published already at least 2 times here, with the tech data and specs and in different other treads.

One for me important and unique feature on the Sinar Hy6:

- Focus Braketing

Best regards,
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Some USP's not mentioned yet in this thread:

- internal light metering (spot, multi-spot, multi-zone) regardless of the viewfinder used;
- extra low mirror vibration due to direct drive mirror;
- multi-shot up to ten exposures per second without moving the mirror in between shots;
- rotational handgrip;
- Schneider Kreuznach glass on an MF camera
- new system with use of older mount lenses (so there is a used market for lenses), fully compatible;
- focus trap;
- extra quick-release mode for 2ms response time;
- "flat" user interface, meaning that all vital controls are directly available, without scrolling through sub-menus;
- mat petrol-gray color of body, making it very stealthy in the field;
- fully usable with 6x6 and 6x4.5 film;
- full compatibility of the lenses (shutters and aperture) with Rollei X-act view camera and Rollei Lens Control, making it an intergrated system for multiple use of DB.

I would probably know to mention more if I only thought about it for another minute. This camera has so many USP's that someone could be confused by them.
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