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« on: October 18, 2007, 10:59:09 AM »
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As expected, Canon announced the iPF 8100 and 9100 printers at PhotoPlusExpo this morning. These printers have the same improvements as the 5100 and 6100 (namely the newer black inks (that have the lowest bronzing of all brands), a 32 pass mode and the ability to calibrate (but not profile) with an on-board sensor.
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2007, 10:57:46 AM »
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Any idea when it will be availabe?  I'm ready now...

My 8000 has been a dream.
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2007, 11:46:15 AM »
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Any idea when it will be availabe?  I'm ready now...[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=147211\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
They won't release the 8100 units until the 8000 units are gone which could take 3 months. Expect another price cut on the leftover 8000 units shortly! I just bought the very last 9000 Canon had this morning so my reseller says 9100 units are available for shipping next week.
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2007, 01:46:42 PM »
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quote from press release

"The imagePROGRAF iPF9100 and iPF8100 printers will be available through authorized Canon U.S.A. dealers in November 2007 with a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $14,995 and $5,995 respectively."
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2007, 12:52:30 PM »
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Not that I'm complaining, but it's always a scary proposition to buy the IPF line at full price when they give such deep discounts.  For example many pait 12-14K for the 9000 when you can get them now for about 6000.  

I bought my 8000 for $3400 shipped.  

SCARY!
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2007, 08:54:26 PM »
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Hello,

I hear from Jim Doyle at Shades of Paper that the 8100s are shipping now. Any early reports?

Best,

Michael Morrison
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2007, 08:26:02 AM »
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I have heard two resellers quote $4200 for the 8100 and $8999 for the 9100 with shipping in a few days. Naturally the improvements are as expected from what we have seen with the 5100 and 6100. Canon has not officially released the combined 8100/9100 drivers and plug-ins but is expected to do so in the next few days if not today. FYI the x100 drivers are all Leopard compatible and work with the previous x000 printers in Leopard.
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2007, 06:08:33 PM »
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The iPF9100 and iPF8000 drivers Version 2.91 are on the European site.

http://software.canon-europe.com/products/0010509.asp

Interesting they just post this today but only list this as supported OSs.
Mac OS X 10.2.x, Mac OS X 10.3.x, Mac OS X 10.4.x

I am real curious to see if MCT 2.90 will enable the Special 6 to 10 media settings on the iPF9000 or if any of this will work with the iPF9000.

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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2007, 08:11:19 PM »
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Well lets just say whoever as Canon (supposedly) that said these drivers would work with the iPF9000 does know not what there are talking about. And more if you do get them loaded the drop down list of Print Priority and Print Quality are still messed up in Leopard. You can still select them but they are in the upper left corner just like the 3.60 drivers. About the only thing you gain by installing the 3.91 driver is a new Print Monitor and the ability to monitor ink levels and and get the status text in Leopard.

Where 3.91 is not workable is in the media selection. If you load the 3.91 (iPF9100) driver you have a different media selection than what was in the 3.60 driver or the 2.42 MCT. You can not update the iPF9000 with the MCT 3.90 because it does not recognize the iPF9000. MCT 2.42 will not run with the 3.91 driver loaded. So your stuck with what comes with the 3.91 driver with no way to have your printer and driver match. After I saw this mess I did not even try to do a print. I just went back to the 3.60 driver.

My guess this is exactly the same problem you will have trying to use the iPF5100 driver with the iPF5000.

Anyone want to bet when Canon will get around to releasing drivers for 10.5?

Doyle
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« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2007, 01:30:44 PM »
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Well lets just say whoever as Canon (supposedly) that said these drivers would work with the iPF9000 does know not what there are talking about.[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=150324\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Canon's USA tech reps that I chat with are using a newer version of the 8100/9100 driver and plug-in that they say is leopard compatible and works great with the older printers. It hasn't been released but is coming soon. No one said that the older drivers (old even though they were just posted) on Europe's site would work with Leopard or the older printers.
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2007, 04:00:05 PM »
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Hello,

Will the new 8100 drivers also work for the 5000? Or just the 8000?

Does anyone know how the calibration system works? If it is a densitometer, won't density readings be necessary for each type of media/media setting?

Many thanks,

Michael Morrison
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2007, 05:00:16 PM »
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Hello Scott,

You mentioned $4200 for an 8100. Are you free to pass on the names of these suppliers?

Thanks!

Michael Morrison
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« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2007, 07:06:54 PM »
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Hello Scott,
Will the new 8100 drivers also work for the 5000? Or just the 8000?[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=150583\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
The 5100 drivers are said to work for the 5000 in leopard.

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Does anyone know how the calibration system works? If it is a densitometer, won't density readings be necessary for each type of media/media setting?You mentioned $4200 for an 8100. Are you free to pass on the names of these suppliers[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=150583\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
I'll respond to these via a private message.
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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2007, 10:31:27 PM »
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Wow.. at those prices how will they sell the 64 inch Epson at 14000?  The Canon is faster too?

-Jonathan
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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2007, 09:56:29 AM »
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I see that driver version 3.93 has been post on the Japanese site.

Does anybody know will these work with the iPF8000 and 9000 on OS X 10.5?

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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2007, 02:13:15 PM »
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I see that driver version 3.93 has been post on the Japanese site.
Does anybody know will these work with the iPF8000 and 9000 on OS X 10.5[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=151096\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
I have the soon to be released 3.91 US software for the 8100 and 9100 on my FTP site that Canon NY says is leopard compatible. I haven't verified this and would love to hear from anyone who can.

FYI, different regions have different versions that may not be comparable to other regions of the same version. For example Canon Europe's 3.91 9100 driver is different from Canon USA's 3.91 9100 driver. The US version is said to work under leopard while the EU version doesn't. Arrgg, I know.
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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2007, 10:52:54 AM »
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Hello,

I have now had a new iPF8100 for about a week. Setup went well, though it is a heavy beast at 300+ lbs.

So far, I have only made profile targets and tried the calibration routine. I have found that the list of media types is different than the 5000, with "photo paper plus" disappearing and the appearance of a few others: glossy photo 190; glossy photo 240; HW glossy photo; HW glossy photo 2; semi-glossy photo; and HW semi-glossy photo 2. There are also Special 1 through 10, rather than 1 through 5, adding photo black to the matte black options (details at http://canonipf.wikispaces.com/Total+Ink+Limits ).

I find it frustrating that the already mysterious media type settings also keep changing. Does anyone have a list of the differences in ink setting for the various media types? Does anyone know why Canon doesn't publish this information? (Or do they, and I have just missed it?)

The calibration routine is quick, but also somewhat mysterious. The manual recommends that only one type of paper be used for calibrating, but implies that any paper will do, so long as the same paper is used. If different papers yield different calibration results, then why is any paper usable? What would change if I use HPR instead of the new Harman gloss?

In general, I am very happy with the printer so far. Everything works smoothly and well, the menu and display are pretty good.

Many thanks,

Michael Morrison
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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2007, 05:37:00 PM »
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I find it frustrating that the already mysterious media type settings also keep changing. Does anyone have a list of the differences in ink setting for the various media types? Does anyone know why Canon doesn't publish this information? (Or do they, and I have just missed it?)

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Agreed.  The fact that some of the Media Types also lock out some of the paper paths makes it that much worse.  I have listed this as one of the few significant remaining problems left for the iPF series:

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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2007, 12:46:29 AM »
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The calibration routine is quick, but also somewhat mysterious. The manual recommends that only one type of paper be used for calibrating, but implies that any paper will do, so long as the same paper is used. If different papers yield different calibration results, then why is any paper usable? What would change if I use HPR instead of the new Harman gloss?

In general, I am very happy with the printer so far. Everything works smoothly and well, the menu and display are pretty good.

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That looks like it's an error. Any type of photo media would be more likely. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Canon are using some technology from HP , and  if so , any photo media will do.
The calibrations are a check to see that the printing conditions are meeting an expected range, not a linearisation as in the sense of an HP Z spectral calibration per media.
The on board calibration used for writing systems is used on many HP models big and small since about 1999 or so. It is reliable and a very good thing for thermal head printers as stable as the pigment printers  are benefit from a writing system calibration often enough to maintain default performance.
It is less needed with Piezo.
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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2007, 03:04:31 PM »
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Hello John and Neil,

Thanks for your thoughts. We can only hope that Canon releases the Media Edit Tool, or at least publishes the ink settings for each media type. What, for instance, is the difference between Special 5, and PPP-SG?

Neil, I think that Canon DID mean high end papers, and not plain paper or such, but they do list matte papers among those that can be used for calibration.

I gather from your post that the calibration routine is something less than a linearization, but then, what is it? If it is checking densities, won't these be different with different papers? Suppose I use Lumijet Ultragloss to do a calibration, and then a year and 5 liters of ink later, I decide to do another: must I use the Ultragloss to make my original profiles good again? Or would the Harman do? If the calibration is less than a linearization, what then is being set?

Thanks again,

Michael Morrison
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