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« on: October 18, 2007, 12:34:43 PM »
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I will repeat my question since it originally fell on deaf ears:
Now that we have the prices for AFi posted when can we expect a list of upgrade paths for current owners of Leaf products. If LEAF wants me and others to switch to AFi and abandon the H mount they better come with something very logical here. It has been only two months since we upgraded to 75s. Leaf needs to put their new cameras in hands of real shutters and existing clients to post positive reviews before others will jump into the system with their $50,000 investments. To me it is only logical step in current economical situation but then again logic and MFD do not often go hand and hand.

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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2007, 02:29:05 PM »
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I will repeat my question since it originally fell on deaf ears:
Now that we have the prices for AFi posted when can we expect a list of upgrade paths for current owners of Leaf products. If LEAF wants me and others to switch to AFi and abandon the H mount they better come with something very logical here. It has been only two months since we upgraded to 75s. Leaf needs to put their new cameras in hands of real shutters and existing clients to post positive reviews before others will jump into the system with their $50,000 investments. To me it is only logical step in current economical situation but then again logic and MFD do not often go hand and hand.

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i ask the question this morning at the photoplusexpo show here in ny and was told it is currently under discussion....and hopefully we will be given an answer soon.
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2007, 02:30:08 PM »
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I'm sure most Sinar users would be interested to know this too.
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2007, 03:13:32 PM »
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I'm sure most Sinar users would be interested to know this too.
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With Sinar it is less of an issue since it is only the change of an interface plate.

I am pretty sure one of the promo's in the near future quarters for Sinar or Sinar Bron (sometimes the promos are different) will be an H camera trade in of some sort.  It only makes sense ....
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2007, 03:15:19 PM »
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my dealer in Singapore said that they'll be offering a trade-in promotion...didn't mention if there'll be a fee involved.
so maybe it'll be the same in US
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2007, 04:37:37 PM »
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One would think that there was plenty of time ( between starting the camera concept and the posting of prices for new units ) to think of strategies for upgrades.
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2007, 06:31:58 PM »
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One would think that there was plenty of time ( between starting the camera concept and the posting of prices for new units ) to think of strategies for upgrades.
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I agree with you:  unfortunately more and more of what happens these days is "MIUAWG"
(make it up as we go!)
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2007, 06:58:37 PM »
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Initial Products:
AFi Body with W/L Finder (AFi Body with W/L Finder can only be purchased by customers already investing in a Leaf AFi System. Proof of previous purchase is required.) - $5,995
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I hope this isn't true because Hasselblad would look like angels.....
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2007, 07:18:47 PM »
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It has been only two months since we upgraded to 75s.
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Hey Andre, Probably why nobody heard your question was being caught between 'Don't buy Hy6/AFi' and the Russel/Tucker 'Abandon LL for a week' post mortum. Since the Leaf 's' upgrade promotion was $3,000US and the regular price is $6,000US, my guess is Leaf will happily take your A75s and give you an AFi7 for $15kUS on this go-around. They may or may not throw in a prism finder but the lens would be an additional cost to you. I would be sucking eggs, of course, because I'm still shooting with an irrelevant A75. I also have the dilema of dumping a discontinued/outdated H1 and the mediocre (H) fuji glass. I may as well hang on until Leaf comes out with the AFi8 so I can really get screwed. God, I hate myself! I'll let you know what the Leaf 'promotion' is from my local dealer on the 29th. David
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2007, 07:57:02 PM »
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There is no need to upgrade for exisiting Sinarback users wishing to use the Sinar Hy6 camera: all one has to do is to change the adapter plate, with the exception of the SB 54H for which an evaluation is in process.

However, there is currently a trade-in promotion running since June '07 and until October 31st (lickely prolounged): for those who wish to buy a "Sinar Hy6 - e75" system, Sinar will take back their current MF camera (incl. one lens and viewfinder). For details consult your local distributor.

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I'm sure most Sinar users would be interested to know this too.
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2007, 11:17:10 PM »
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I hope this isn't true because Hasselblad would look like angels.....
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That is the current policy in the U.S. as any Leaf dealer can confirm.
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2007, 11:20:48 PM »
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Samuel, did you not read this post of mine?
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index....ndpost&p=146794
You could go with a Sinar branded Hy6 and put the Leaf on it.
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The Leaf AFi back is only listed in the U.S. as a back and camera body bundle. There is also a different battery for the Leaf AFi than the Rollei/Sinar Hy6.
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2007, 11:29:44 PM »
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I also have the dilema of dumping a discontinued/outdated H1 and the mediocre (H) fuji glass.
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The Hasselblad designed and Fuji produced "H" lenses are extremely fine lenses. The MTF charts are readily available for all of the lenses and are the standard for qaulity that all of the "H" lenses must meet.
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2007, 12:30:11 AM »
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Leaf has been offering free AFi mount changes to purchasers of Leaf Aptus backs purchased after March, 2007.

At this point, my best guess would be that an existing Aptus user who purchased before that date could do a mount switch to Leaf AFi (when they become available) for $2,099 (their normal fee) from whatever mount they currently have (as these mounts become available).

I'm at PhotoExpo this week and will confirm this as much as I can tomorrow (Friday).

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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2007, 02:57:31 AM »
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I would never pay $2000 to switch mounts for that kind of money,  just  to buy a Leaf camera. If they want to sell camera's and make the system work they better think about offering free mounts changes with camera purchase.
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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2007, 07:25:57 AM »
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I also have the dilema of dumping a discontinued/outdated H1 and the mediocre (H) fuji glass.
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Just compare this "outdated" camera to whatever you want and you'll find it's not that outdated.  
About the "mediocre" fuji glass I just can say the same; Compare it to whatever you want. The only Fuji H I don't like is the zooms bokeh. The rest is top quality.
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2007, 08:57:04 AM »
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I also have the dilema of dumping a discontinued/outdated H1 and the mediocre (H) fuji glass.
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Tell the magazine publisher that this shot was captured by a mediocre Fuji glass.


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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2007, 09:18:41 AM »
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Is there a new design for battery on AFi7 or is it the same as on A75s?
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2007, 11:06:41 AM »
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Tell the magazine publisher that this shot was captured by a mediocre Fuji glass.
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Not to worry. I like my H1 and the 35,50,50-110,80,100,300,1.7x glass. Just having fun with some of the H bashers on the forum (not including Andre). I'm as interested in the Hy7/AFi as anyone. It does seem like Sinar has a more seamless migration path to the upgrade. And when will either Sinar or Leaf have a single battery solution?

David
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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2007, 01:53:28 PM »
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Nice shot, Paul, but I still don't like the H glass.

Edmund
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