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« on: November 08, 2007, 04:25:34 PM »
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Folks,

Just a quick ping to let you know that Real World Camera Raw with Adobe Photoshop CS3 is shipping. I got my copy today (but hey, I'm the co-author, I'm supposed to get mine early).

:~)

I've done a story on PhotoshopNews.com about the book shipping and a feature story about the printing of the book.

See: It’s Shipping–Real World Camera Raw with Adobe Photoshop CS3

And: Printing RWCR CS3

Now, back to your regularly scheduled programing....
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2007, 06:37:03 PM »
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Well it's ABOUT TIME (cue righteous indignation  ) Mr. Schewe! I've had my Amazon order in for months.

Seriously, I look forward to reading it. Congratulations on what I'm sure will be a fine continuation of the work Mr Fraser began.

BTW, your online article about the printing of the book was very interesting, and brought back memories. My dad was peripherally involved in the printing business, and my first summer job as a kid was at the print shop of one of his business associates. I have since held a keen interest in anything to do with printing.

It was my job back in those dark ages before computerized typesetting and platemaking--among other thankless tasks-- to gather up the bits of waste lead spat out by the shop's two ancient Linotype [typesetting] machines (complete with grumpy unionized Linotype operators, the prima donnas of the shop), along with ink-covered used lead type, and haul it all to the smelter out behind the shop. There I'd plop it into the 800 ºF smelter, in 100 ºF 100% humidity Louisiana summer heat, so that it could be recast into lead ingots for the Linotypes to use. All the while, I'm inhaling fumes from the smelter containing god knows what. As you have now guessed, I didn't belong to the union!

But as a treat I did get to make offset plates with the shop's process camera, and watch the pressmen run the shop's tiny offset presses. As much art and black magic as science. Skilled pressmen are a treasured resource and got paid pretty well, as I recall (1970's).

A friend owns a factory in southern Indiana (it must be the place to be due to its central location) that makes the printing cylinders for giant gravure presses that run 24/7 printing millions of cereal boxes and package labels in a single press run. The thing about these giant presses and machines is that something so huge, and fast, should be capable of such precise work.

Anyway, thanks for the story and for the book, and best of luck with it.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2007, 08:43:00 PM »
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Hey, congratulations!

Bruce's original book on CS2 RAW really turned on the lights for me about ACR.  I had been blindly trying things without really knowing what I was doing.  With all the changes in the new ACR, I'm sure your book will be equally valuable.  I'll pick up a copy as soon I see it on the shelf.

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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2007, 10:00:43 PM »
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Quote from: Schewe,Nov 8 2007, 04:25 PM
Folks,

Just a quick ping to let you know that Real World Camera Raw with Adobe Photoshop CS3 is shipping. I got my copy today (but hey, I'm the co-author, I'm supposed to get mine early).

:~)

I've done a story on PhotoshopNews.com about the book shipping and a feature story about the printing of the book.

Mine's on order and should be here next week!
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2007, 10:52:39 PM »
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Congratulations! Great news!
I'll order mine as soon as I finish posting this.
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2007, 09:26:43 AM »
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Yes congratulations Jeff, I'm also off to check out amazon.  Wayne
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2007, 09:35:06 AM »
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Congrats and thanx for providing such an interesting story about the press-run.

Cheers,
J
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2007, 10:57:27 AM »
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I pre-ordered it a long time ago... I can't wait to have in hands.
 
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2007, 11:55:02 AM »
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Congrats and thanx for providing such an interesting story about the press-run.

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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2007, 12:13:36 PM »
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*Great* article about the book's printing!  With the your, Michael, and Bill Atkinson's publishing experiences, perhaps a forthcoming "From Camera to Coffee Table" piece?

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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2007, 07:42:35 PM »
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Folks,

Just a quick ping to let you know that Real World Camera Raw with Adobe Photoshop CS3 is shipping. I got my copy today (but hey, I'm the co-author, I'm supposed to get mine early).

:~)

I've done a story on PhotoshopNews.com about the book shipping and a feature story about the printing of the book.

See: It’s Shipping–Real World Camera Raw with Adobe Photoshop CS3

And: Printing RWCR CS3

Now, back to your regularly scheduled programing....
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Congratulations Jeff. I ordered mine back in August from Amazon.com, then in early october I got a delay notice telling me I should expect to receive it between November 15th~21st. Considering it will be shipped from the USA to Canada this is consistent with today's announcement. Looking forward to reading it.

Cheers,

Mark
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2007, 07:59:28 PM »
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Jeff,

Just finished reading the printing article. FASCINATING. The technology embodied in that job looks QUITE impressive - that plant muat have invested a tidy sum. Do you know how long the printing job took from start to finish of the first run? Also interesting - one gets the impression that there isn't really a very large number of staff.

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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2007, 11:31:04 PM »
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Just finished reading the printing article. FASCINATING. The technology embodied in that job looks QUITE impressive - that plant must have invested a tidy sum.

As I said in the article, the press I was on was MAN 3, they had two other presses running that day as well. I saw some interesting stuff coming out of the other presses and a lot of other books in various stages of assembly, but part of the deal with them letting me shoots was that I only shoot MY stuff and keep what else was in-plant confidential. I will say that other Peachpit books are printed there...Courier is Peachpit's premier book printer.

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Do you know how long the printing job took from start to finish of the first run? Also interesting - one gets the impression that there isn't really a very large number of staff.


Well, I was there for the entire print run (ok, I slipped out midway through form 9, the last form because I had to drive back to Chicago that note). The total time for the print run was under 13 hrs, but I'm precluded from stating what the actual press run count was (Peachpit didn't want to let any other publishers know how they buy print runs).

For the main printing, there were three pressmen and two catchers binding the printed signatures. We also had the press manager stop by during the day and a few others showed up from time to time. Total number of people at the plant was, of course, much higher. There were many people working in the bindery and they have an entire plate making department (that was hidden behind doors I wasn't allowed to go through because they keep it in a "dust free" environment.

Then, of course, there are a lot of office workers up front. I think total at Kendallville is 475 employees. So, it's a bigger company than it looks from the shots. The press guide said something about the Kendallville plant doing 40,000 tons of printing making up 50 million books in 2005.

But that was before they got their third LITHOMAN press so I suspect they could do more now. Their expansion in 2006 cost about $21 million–don't know what part the presses played–I never could get a straight answer to what the press costs–I'm not sure anybody knows what just the press costs there as there is a lot more to a "press" than the press; inks systems, paper handling, heater/dryer/folder, chopper, etc.

It actually was a really fun field trip, but in the grand scheme of things, by the time the book got on press, there really wasn't much left to chance. They already had nailed color even before I got there that morning. Every time I found a registration thingie to mention Vinnie or Kurt were already working on it. So, I was pretty much just there for the ride.

Now, I'm also planning on doing a story on how we did profiles for the book. That's an interesting story too. But I have to get permission from Martin to disclose a method he used that I picked up for doing double seps and then assembling them to use dual GCR settings within an image. I do know that Peachpit was impressed with the way I ended up doing all the CMYK separations and the same technique is being used by Conrad Chavaz for Real World Photoshop as well. I'll also admit I had the help of three top color geeks working with me; Andrew Rodney, Karl Lang and Chris Murphy who ended up making my profiles for me based on the SWOP 2006 spectral data. Chris was Bruce's co-author of Real World Color Management and Karl Lang did the ColorMatch RGB color space as well as designing the Sony Artisan. So, I had a lot of help (sometimes too much help in the beginning).

But the whole process of writing and producing the book was actually enjoyable. Yes, it was a lot of work...it's how I spent June-August of this year working every day like it was a real job. But it will be very gratifying if the revision is well received. I've already started thinking about the next edition...I already know a lot of stuff Thomas and Zalman want to put in Camera Raw 5.0 and I'll tell ya, the next version will have to be even longer. This time we went from 304 to 384 pages and it was real work to keep the page count that low. But all the effort is really dedicated to the memory of Bruce...I'm just batting the cleanup unfortunately.
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2007, 12:24:34 AM »
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Jeff, many thanks for this added insight - most interesting. I think an article on the colour management aspect of the book production would make a good contribution to the literature, especially given the progressive evolution of this science. I think your focus, taking-up where Bruce left-off, on Camera Raw. is right on target. Needless to say I have no idea what's coming in 5.0, but my sense of the general direction and impetus given by Lightroom and 4.x is that this technology is "taking-off" and has a very fruitful future.
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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2007, 04:45:53 PM »
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I'm really looking forward to getting this book and preordered it from Amazon; unfortunately it shows a shipping date of mid-January.

I actually spoke to a "service representative" at Amazon about this, but got nowhere.
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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2007, 04:55:41 PM »
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I'm really looking forward to getting this book and preordered it from Amazon; unfortunately it shows a shipping date of mid-January.

I actually spoke to a "service representative" at Amazon about this, but got nowhere.
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This is no good. I see my delivery has been backed-up to late December also. But the book is published. There is obviously a problem between the publisher and Amazon.com. Jeff should be made aware of this.
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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2007, 04:58:17 PM »
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Folks,

Just a quick ping to let you know that Real World Camera Raw with Adobe Photoshop CS3 is shipping. I got my copy today (but hey, I'm the co-author, I'm supposed to get mine early).

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Jeff, if the book is "shipping" it damn-well ain't shipping from Amazon.com, the place from which *most of the world* orders their books - I have a new delivery estimate of late December-early January. Another poster here just mentioned the same thing. "Sumting ain't right."
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Jeff, if the book is "shipping" it damn-well ain't shipping from Amazon.com, the place from which *most of the world* orders their books - I have a new delivery estimate of late December-early January. Another poster here just mentioned the same thing. "Sumting ain't right."
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Believe me, it's Amazon...Scott Kelby had the same issue on a recent book, see: [a href=\"http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2007/archives/682]A Note From The Book Publisher[/url].

I've got my books–I even gave Micheal one that he received today–and as of yesterday, Amazon US HAS received some shipments in some of their warehouses but their system is still screwed...

I've been asked by Nancy NOT to go into a major public slam of Amazon because she and Amazon are working to fix Amazon's system....more about that when I get it.
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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2007, 06:31:33 PM »
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Congrats, Jeff.

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Believe me, it's Amazon...Scott Kelby had the same issue on a recent book, see: A Note From The Book Publisher.

I've got my books–I even gave Micheal one that he received today–and as of yesterday, Amazon US HAS received some shipments in some of their warehouses but their system is still screwed...

I've been asked by Nancy NOT to go into a major public slam of Amazon because she and Amazon are working to fix Amazon's system....more about that when I get it.
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There have been similar issues with Amazon in the not too distant past.  I'm glad to hear they are actually receiving some books - perhaps they will surprise us with some shipments well ahead of the dates in the emails - but really Jeff, one wonders specifically what's going on - whether Amamzon ordered enough copies, whether Peachpit shipped them all, whether there are transport delays, whether the problem is Amazon receiving and cataloguing their inventory for release, etc. It's probably a bit more complicated under the hood than we consumers realise, but anything Nancy can do to help unstick it and get the books moving will be great. Tell Nancy you've got a bunch of *eager-beavers* (remember this is Canada calling) wanting to read that book!  
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