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« on: November 18, 2007, 03:35:29 PM »
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hello, with the new talk of the mamiya/phase parnership, I am wondering if there is still a chance that I will be able to use the new Rollei version of Hy6 camera with Phase backs, any news? does it matter that phase is partnering with mamiya?
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2007, 04:03:40 PM »
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You need to ask Phase this question. There has been no official announcement, afaik.
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2007, 01:54:01 AM »
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If I am not mistaken, the Hy6 system is a closed system that will only work with Leaf and Sinar DBs.

That was probably one reason more for PhaseOne and Mamiya to tighten the partnership,  although the PhaseOne/Mamiya system will be an open one.


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hello, with the new talk of the mamiya/phase parnership, I am wondering if there is still a chance that I will be able to use the new Rollei version of Hy6 camera with Phase backs, any news? does it matter that phase is partnering with mamiya?
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2007, 04:31:33 AM »
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Looking at Phase's answer to the same question on their forum they seem to be hinting that you will be able to use Hy6 with phase backs one way or another, they don't give any details to functionality though.

http://forum.phaseone.com/viewtopic.php?t=4449
http://forum.phaseone.com/viewtopic.php?t=4172
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2007, 10:01:36 AM »
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Looking at Phase's answer to the same question on their forum they seem to be hinting that you will be able to use Hy6 with phase backs one way or another, they don't give any details to functionality though.
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In my conversations with Phase, I have been led to a similar conclusion, but without specifics on functionality or a timeframe.

It would be nice to get a clear answer on this question, wouldn't it??    

-Brad
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2007, 10:24:46 AM »
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In my conversations with Phase, I have been led to a similar conclusion, but without specifics on functionality or a timeframe.

It would be nice to get a clear answer on this question, wouldn't it??   

-Brad
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If Phase wants to do it, they only need to buy a camera body and figure out the electronic contacts.
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2007, 04:00:10 PM »
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If I remember well... the Jenoptik press release said that the hy6 branded sinar and leaf would work just with sinar and leaf DBs, and that the Hy6 branded rollei would work with F&H film backs. How can this one (Rollei Hy6) be chipped to fail contact with a P1 back? Seems pretty obvious they will make it work if they want.  
And what's F&H's point of making a "film-only" camera"? To compete with the H2F?
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2007, 04:02:33 PM »
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Yes I found it:

"The medium-format camera body is the result of a collaboration between Jenoptik, Sinar, Leaf and Franke
& Heidecke. With its completely new concept the camera forms the powerful platform for two system
families (Hy6 and AFi) and will be sold exclusively by Sinar, Leaf and Franke & Heidecke and their
distributors. It is designed to work exclusively with Sinar or Leaf digital backs or the Franke & Heidecke
analogue film backs
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> Press release.
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2007, 04:05:50 PM »
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I must correct myself:
The press release doesn't specify witch DB will fit the "Rollei" Hy6. But  It does mention the Rolleiflex Hy6.
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2007, 05:09:57 PM »
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This would work, and would likely not be too hard (assuming nothing is encrypted).  But two problems with that approach spring to mind:

1) Firmware updates could easily break Phase's reverse-engineered compatibility.
2) At least in the U.S., a not-so-popular little law known as DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) might be able to prevent such backs from being sold here.

Still, I'd be interested in evaluating a solution regardless--Like everyone else, I just need to see the details to be able to make a good decision for my photography business.

-Brad

P.S.  Or, it could be they're having trouble finding a Hy6 to buy...   (kidding)
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If Phase wants to do it, they only need to buy a camera body and figure out the electronic contacts.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2007, 03:59:45 AM »
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The weirdest thing of all is that PhaseOne actually does make a P20, a P25 and a P45 for the Rolleiflex 6008AF without ever advertising it. There is a company called Rollei Metric GmbH that uses standard 6008AF bodies and specially calibrated standard Rollei lenses for metrical use. The company is owned by PhaseOne for 20%. Phase supplies the backs, that have a shape which also fits any standard 6008AF or i2. Rollei Metric GmbH is located at the same address as the Franke & Heidecke factory. Check out this PDF spec sheet:

http://www.rollei-metric.com/uploads/files...al%20metric.pdf

Interesting, huh? 
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Bizarre, and very interesting. I never knew about this. Are you sure they will work with an ordinary 6008AF? Does their modification include a digital interface, or does the back need a cable connection to the flash sync port?
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2007, 04:54:24 AM »
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Bizarre, and very interesting. I never knew about this. Are you sure they will work with an ordinary 6008AF? Does their modification include a digital interface, or does the back need a cable connection to the flash sync port?
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the  announcement back in 2005:
[a href=\"http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/news/articles/story_3314.html]http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/news/artic...story_3314.html[/url]
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2007, 04:55:47 AM »
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The weirdest thing of all is that PhaseOne actually does make a P20, a P25 and a P45 for the Rolleiflex 6008AF without ever advertising it. There is a company called Rollei Metric GmbH that uses standard 6008AF bodies and specially calibrated standard Rollei lenses for metrical use. The company is owned by PhaseOne for 20%. Phase supplies the backs, that have a shape which also fits any standard 6008AF or i2. Rollei Metric GmbH is located at the same address as the Franke & Heidecke factory. Check out this PDF spec sheet:

http://www.rollei-metric.com/uploads/files...al%20metric.pdf

Interesting, huh?
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Inside the brochure attatched to your post it says:

"Rolleiflex 6008 body with fixed mounted digital back"

The text does not make it clear that you can take the back of the 6008 and attatch it to another body.

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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2007, 05:04:07 AM »
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Inside the brochure attatched to your post it says:

"Rolleiflex 6008 body with fixed mounted digital back"

The text does not make it clear that you can take the back of the 6008 and attatch it to another body.

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Yes you can put a film back if you want and no sync cable needed (not 100% sure). See [a href=\"http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=19722]this thread[/url]. Eric W had one for sale back in October.
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2007, 05:20:01 AM »
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the  announcement back in 2005:
http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/news/artic...story_3314.html
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The Rollei P20 is old news. What was new to me was the fact that there appears to be a P45 version too.
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2007, 05:28:56 AM »
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Yes you can put a film back if you want and no sync cable needed (not 100% sure). See this thread. Eric W had one for sale back in October.
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I'm pretty sure the "Rollei digital bundle" version is a different type than this option... and was sold through rollei and their distributors directly. The .pdf is not the same (in any way) as the Rollei digital bundle with P20... (And the company seems different as well, even though the partners are the same.)

-axel
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2007, 09:32:18 AM »
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The back is in fact a standard back that can be removed.
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I stand corrected  

And I hope Rollei indeed does sell some Hy6'es to Rollei Metric  

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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2007, 04:44:48 PM »
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Hi
This debate has been going on for a year now. The Hy6 project is owned by Sinar with Leaf also on this platform. This is a way of increasing market share for Sinar. Sinar has been running 4th for a while now. Even that poll on the other thread confirms this. I did a test with this camera last week with a Sinar back on it. This is not a camera that you can mount any back on it. This is a camera for Leaf & Sinar only.
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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2007, 06:32:42 PM »
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Now what would happen if F&H sold Rolleiflex Hy6 bodies to Rollei Metric?
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A lawsuit.
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2007, 06:55:13 PM »
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Where can I buy a Rolleiflex Hy6 with a film back?
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