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« Reply #40 on: November 26, 2007, 05:44:48 PM »
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Dear Mel,

Let me first say that a product is never "finished", and can always be improved a step further.

This being said, and apart for the comments by Michael about the lack of communication (which I shall address and answer to show that this is not the case), there seems to me that there is not much having been criticized about this new camera, in the contrary.

And the feedback from our first users or people having tested it go all in the same directions: read on this forum some posts from those who had it in their hands.

Best regards,
Thierry

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  From my own experience as a designer, and manufacturer, I can see that this product is not "finished".
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« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2007, 06:34:44 PM »
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Sinar Statement about camera/back/software communication & EXIF data

Currently, following EXIF Data are available from the Hy6 camera:

- Camera model
- Lens type
- Aperture
- Exposure time
- Focal lenght
- Distance to subject
- ISO
- Capturing mode (P. S, A, M)
- Light metering mode (spot, center weighted, matrix)
- TTL flash / no TTL flash

The above EXIF data are also available in Sinar EXPOSURE, (not in Captureshop).

Following EXIF Data are communicated directly from the back to the Sinar EXPOSURE software:

- Attached digital back
- Serial number of digital back
- Capturing date
- Image size in pixels (pixels x pixels)
- White balance (type of illumination)

All the above EXIF Data are currently not displayed on the screen of the eMotion backs, nor in Captureshop.

The eMotion backs currently display only rudimentary EXIF data like "ISO" and "White balance", etc ...

It needs a firmware update of the eMotion backs for the EXIF data delivered by the camera to be displayed on the eMotion backs,

We do not plan currently to make all these EXIF Data available in the Sinar Captureshop software.
 
I hope this clarifies this important point and issue and shows that there is no lack of communication between camera, back and software.

Sorry for the misunderstanding/miscommunication.

Best regards,
Thierry
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« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2007, 06:40:57 PM »
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Hi Theirry,

that's great the exif data IS there!!

But when will Exposure be there?

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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2007, 06:41:50 PM »
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That's great news!
When will the firmware update be available for the eMotions?
Cheers,
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« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2007, 06:50:34 PM »
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hi Murray,

we all expect Exposure to be available begin of 2008.

At the same time the eMotion FW update should be available of course as well (answer to Willem's question).

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Hi Theirry,

that's great the exif data IS there!!

But when will Exposure be there?

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« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2007, 07:01:04 PM »
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Thierry,
it would be a good idea,that Michael addresses these issues and solutions at his Hy6 review updates!
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« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2007, 07:10:36 PM »
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Yes, indeed!

But the fault, mistake and blame cannot be put on him: there was simply a miscommunication and lack of time (weekend with nobody available at Sinar to answer properly) from our side.

When Michael asked me first about this last week (no display on the eMotion of aperture/shutter speed & no display of aperture/shutter speed in Captureshop), I answered him that yes, that this was not yet possible in Captureshop, without mentioning that it is (it will be) obviously the case in Exposure.

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it would be a good idea,that Michael addresses these issues and solutions at his Hy6 review updates!
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« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2007, 07:29:06 PM »
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Hi Thierry

Having used the Hy6 in a job like condition shooting talent. Is there a separate dial/button for the auto focus. For example on the Canon it is custom function 4 or on the Mamiya AFDII it is either on the front or rear. What I am saying can you separate the focus from the shutter release. If you have not read my take on the Hy6 that view finder is BRIGHT!!!!!!
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« Reply #48 on: November 26, 2007, 07:45:59 PM »
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Thanks for posting that, Thierry. It's a relief. The information is probably also worthy of its own thread, because not so many people will see it on page 3 of this thread, and Michael's review is a little misleading.

As Willem suggests, it would be nice if Michael cost post an update.

I don't know why he hasn't responded to some of my points earlier in the thread. As far as I know, the 'e54' he mentions in the article does not exist, for example. There is only the e22, e75, 54LV and 75LV. Right?
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« Reply #49 on: November 26, 2007, 07:49:02 PM »
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hi Denis,

YES, this separate AF button is available: : if the camera is put on Manual focus (M), the flat button above the AF-mode selector serves to activate the Auto focus temporarily. If the camera is put on Single Auto focus or Continuous Auto focus the same button serves as AF Lock.

Best regards,
Thierry

edited for addendum: YES, the view finder is extremely bright! Thanks to mention it.

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Having used the Hy6 in a job like condition shooting talent. Is there a separate dial/button for the auto focus. For example on the Canon it is custom function 4 or on the Mamiya AFDII it is either on the front or rear. What I am saying can you separate the focus from the shutter release. If you have not read my take on the Hy6 that view finder is BRIGHT!!!!!!
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« Reply #50 on: November 26, 2007, 07:51:54 PM »
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Yes Graham, you are absolutely right:

- the e54 does not exist and is called "eMotion 54 LV" officially

- Yes, it would be nice if Michael could "correct", though he is absolutely not to be blamed on this, in the contrary.

Kind regards,
Thierry

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Thanks for posting that, Thierry. It's a relief. The information is probably also worthy of its own thread, because not so many people will see it on page 3 of this thread, and Michael's review is a little misleading.

As Willem suggests, it would be nice if Michael cost post an update.

I don't know why he hasn't responded to some of my points earlier in the thread. As far as I know, the 'e54' he mentions in the article does not exist, for example. There is only the e22, e75, 54LV and 75LV. Right?
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« Reply #51 on: November 26, 2007, 08:11:59 PM »
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hi Denis,

YES, this separate AF button is available: : if the camera is put on Manual focus (M), the flat button above the AF-mode selector serves to activate the Auto focus temporarily. If the camera is put on Single Auto focus or Continuous Auto focus the same button serves as AF Lock.

Best regards,
Thierry

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Thank you, I just told Niki @ Sun Studios. This is one hell of a camera.
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« Reply #52 on: November 26, 2007, 08:26:44 PM »
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From this review I noticed that it's a really nice working camera,
the back gives pretty nice results, but I never doubt of that myself,
it's no surprise that is a strong system,
the fact it's a 6x6 with rotating back ads to the quality,
the problem of communication is not a real one... and is already fixed.
It carries strong lens,
it can be fast...
So it seams that's nothing is wrong with it.

and a good photographer will have perfect result with it as with a snap shot.
I just mean that's a good tool by itself and what you can put in front and at the back is top line...

I would have no problem to use one.

The only thing and it's not yet a "but" is will it be strongly available (rental and sale) in North America.

and about who design it, how far, when, who hold the pen or watether is just something that won't make the camera any better nor my images or yours...
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« Reply #53 on: November 26, 2007, 08:30:04 PM »
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thanks for telling her, I was on my way to write to her!

My regards, if you still there.

Thierry

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« Reply #54 on: November 27, 2007, 01:53:07 AM »
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Currently, following EXIF Data are available from the Hy6 camera:

- Camera model
- Lens type
- Aperture
- Exposure time
- Focal lenght
- Distance to subject
- ISO
- Capturing mode (P. S, A, M)
- Light metering mode (spot, center weighted, matrix)
- TTL flash / no TTL flash

The above EXIF data are also available in Sinar EXPOSURE, (not in Captureshop).

Thanks for this clarification, but an examination of the EXIF fields does not show this to be the case, at least with the back and body that I tested.

I also have to ask, if the exposure data is there, and Sinar has had over a year to refine the communication protocols between its camera and backs, why the display of this data on the back's screen hasn't been accomplished in all of this time? It would seem to be such a simple thing to do, assuming that the information is being passed between them, as you say it is. As someone that used to run a software development team, I would have to guess that this shouldn't be more than a few hours work, assuming of course that the data is there in the first place.

It's not my intention to make this issue a cause celebre but it is such an obvious omission that I have to wonder out loud how this was allowed to happen.

Michael
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« Reply #55 on: November 27, 2007, 04:04:29 AM »
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Is it not clear from THs post that the launch of exposure software will happen hand in hand with an upgrade to the backs firmware (q1 2008)

At that point the back will be able to read the info the camera is chucking out

and that info will be passed to the software too

the back cant currently read the camera

the RGB thing is interesting ommission from TH list

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« Reply #56 on: November 27, 2007, 04:47:06 AM »
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I shall come back on this as soon as I have got the answer.

Thierry

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« Reply #57 on: November 27, 2007, 07:13:35 AM »
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What I have said, is that Sinar will not provide adapters for other back manufacturers. And what I have said as well is that PO (and Hasselblad) are not part of this project and as such do not have access to the protocols.

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The short answere is, then, that it's a closed system!

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« Reply #58 on: November 27, 2007, 07:21:08 AM »
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The short answere is, then, that it's a closed system!

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And Canon does not sell Hoya filters, therefore they won't work on Canon cameras. Right!

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« Reply #59 on: November 27, 2007, 07:22:32 AM »
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The short answere is, then, that it's a closed system!

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At the risk of covering old territory...

Did Contax publish the specifications of their back mount to help the MFDB manufacturers make backs, or did the back manufacturers work it out for themselves? If the latter, then in what way could you call the Contax (or Mamiya) an open system and the Hy6 a closed one?

Regardless, this project does not depend on the fortunes of one company. You can select between Zeiss and Schneider glass, between Sinar and Leaf backs, and three companies sell the camera body and accessories through their respective networks. This gives you a lot of choice, which is what we all want.
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