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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2007, 11:55:46 AM »
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Buy it from Amazon UK it's only $59.4227 + postage.
Seriously this rip off of the  British (Germans/Australians etc) has got to stop.
I bought the first book but I won't buy this version no matter how good it is until Amazon's import partners get to work and bring the price down to somewhere near parity with the US. I have no doubt the content is worth much more than this and I may be p***ing in the wind but the difference is too much to live with.
And Amazon say I'm saving £3.20 -  speechless
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If you buy from Amazon US (which you can do by setting up an account with them) they will ship internationally. It will take several weeks to get to the UK, but the all-in cost will likely be much lower. Even living in Canada where Amazon also has a portal I usually find it cheaper to order direct from the USA.
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2007, 12:02:29 PM »
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So, as I understand it, the price you pay for a book in Britain or in Europe is, in some part, a subsidy to keep the small stores from going under. There are both problems and benefits with this...but that's what you're paying for.

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The only reason I posted was that I clicked on Michaels link to Amazon US and saw it was  List Price:     $44.99
Price:    $29.69 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping. Details
You Save:    $15.30 (34%)

and I thought great I'll have that, went to AMZ uk and saw it was £28, in my annoyance I dashed off the post which I stand by, I have now calmed down a bit and revisited
AMZ UK and found a link to one of the importers advertising there. I can buy it imported from USA for £15.17 with £2.75 postage so contrary to my rant I am going away to order a copy. You will no doubt be relieved to hear that, the going away part I mean.  

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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2007, 12:04:33 PM »
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Check out this 'uncropped' version to get a better understanding of Jeff's
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2007, 12:21:55 PM »
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If you buy from Amazon US (which you can do by setting up an account with them) they will ship internationally. It will take several weeks to get to the UK, but the all-in cost will likely be much lower. Even living in Canada where Amazon also has a portal I usually find it cheaper to order direct from the USA.
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that is very true. i usually check out the book at chapters-indigo store if it's there. if i love it, i then go home and order it from Amazon US. they got great price, fast shipping, and no tax.
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2007, 01:26:20 PM »
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Two "silly" questions For someone who has CS2 is there anything in the book that is back wards compatible I looked at the possiblity of buying the book for CS2 released a couple of years ago and then realised that camera raw3.7 was an up date after the book's publication Does the update in any way invalidate the book's contents and make it less worthy? TIA
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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2007, 02:19:50 PM »
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Looks like Don Kings illegitimate son!!  
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« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2007, 02:58:34 PM »
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Two "silly" questions For someone who has CS2 is there anything in the book that is back wards compatible
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Uh, you SERIOUSLY want to evaluate upgrading to CS3 and Camera Raw 4.x. The new edition covers Camera Raw 4 and a whole big chunk of the book was dedicated towards the vast multitudes of new features in 4.x vs. 3.x.

If you're on CS2, the new book will really only depress you on how much of the new Camera Raw won't apply to your version.
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« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2007, 05:50:08 PM »
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Have to agree here. I found that after I read the first RW Camera Raw book, my understanding the benifits of raw went through the roof. Can't wait to get into this latest version.
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I have the original book also---and wondering if I should buy the new version.  Any comments about whether one would benefit from buying it?

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« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2007, 06:06:08 PM »
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I have the original book also---and wondering if I should buy the new version.  Any comments about whether one would benefit from buying it?

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Diane. Please read post #11. That will answer your question. Unfortunately it is co-mingled amongst all those other more entertaining posts about Jeff's hair-do or lack thereof, so perhaps you missed it because the fun seems to be overwhelming the content. That's OK, fun is fun - but your question is dealt with - except I would only add for emphasis that Camera Raw 4.x  is so far more developed than anything that existed before it that you cannot possibly depend on the original book to take you anwhere close to becoming up-to-speed on the new application. If you're really serious about getting to *know* CR 4.x, combined with practice, this book is in the category of "required reading".
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« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2007, 06:33:29 PM »
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I have the original book also---and wondering if I should buy the new version.  Any comments about whether one would benefit from buying it?

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Since SO much has happened to ACR, and V4.x has proven to confirm this, I would say that, yes, the benefits of this "updated" version is a must have. Since you have the older version, there will be an overlap of info as some things don't change all that much, so you'll find that you will no doubt skim through some areas, while other spots will make you stop and really read in depth.
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« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2007, 09:19:59 PM »
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Diane. Please read post #11. That will answer your question.
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 except I would only add for emphasis that Camera Raw 4.x  is so far more developed than anything that existed before it that you cannot possibly depend on the original book to take you anwhere close to becoming up-to-speed on the new application. If you're really serious about getting to *know* CR 4.x, combined with practice, this book is in the category of "required reading".
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Thanks Mark.  I've read the post and am off to buy it.  That answered it completely.

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« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2007, 12:33:54 AM »
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I'm excited to get it.

I haven't really used ACR since lightroom came out though.  As mentioned before, it seems like this would work for my Lightroom workflow as well, but are there any major differences in the processing pipeline (at least for the Develop Module) between Lightroom and ACR?

Also, Jeff, thank you for carrying on the tradition and keeping to the highest standards.  I'm sure Bruce would be proud...of your new haircut.
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« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2007, 10:45:09 PM »
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I finally got my copy early this afternoon, and now at 8:30pm and at page 100 something - it's probably time to get some dinner . . . .

I can't recommend this book enough to anyone - many of the concepts I sorta "knew" were crystallized.  The control by control explanations are much appreciated - thank you for a great discussion of HSL; several of my favorite images already stand to be much better.

Skimming forward a bit (I live near the section of Interstate 5 closed by flooding for the next 3 days ) the discussion of Bridge, metadata and batching promises to help me be a better organized processor - increasing my time doing what I love - outdoors, *seeing* and maybe even capturing a few!

Nice book! I owe you a beer Jeff  (and raise my glass to Bruce) . . . .
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« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2007, 12:31:00 AM »
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Nice book! I owe you a beer Jeff  (and raise my glass to Bruce) . . . .
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Thanks for the kind words, beer is accepted, but in honor of Bruce, a nice single malt Scotch is preferred....

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« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2007, 02:07:59 AM »
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Buy it from Amazon UK it's only $59.4227 + postage.
Seriously this rip off of the  British (Germans/Australians etc) has got to stop.
I bought the first book but I won't buy this version no matter how good it is until Amazon's import partners get to work and bring the price down to somewhere near parity with the US. I have no doubt the content is worth much more than this and I may be p***ing in the wind but the difference is too much to live with.
And Amazon say I'm saving £3.20 -  speechless
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This is not a rip off, in GBP this pretty much on the nose for this type of specialist publication. The market for this type of publication is pitifully small in the UK, add in the import costs on top of the normal publication cost and the publishers unit cost shoots up. Perhaps if you can persuade the publisher not  to make a profit , Jeff not to take any royalties and the printer to print for free you might have a book that costs £5.00,  otherwise forget it.

Bite the bullet, buy it and learn. Better still go to your local independent bookstore and order it and speak to a real person, they could probably do with your business whilst Amazon could not care less if they never heard from you again.

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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2007, 06:43:56 AM »
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This is not a rip off, in GBP this pretty much on the nose for this type of specialist publication. The market for this type of publication is pitifully small in the UK, add in the import costs on top of the normal publication cost and the publishers unit cost shoots up. Perhaps if you can persuade the publisher not  to make a profit , Jeff not to take any royalties and the printer to print for free you might have a book that costs £5.00,  otherwise forget it.

Bite the bullet, buy it and learn. Better still go to your local independent bookstore and order it and speak to a real person, they could probably do with your business whilst Amazon could not care less if they never heard from you again.

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That's your opinion which I do not agree with, if the Authors, Publishers and Amazon can make their cut from $28 in the USA are you trying to say that the cost of transport and importation is the other $28 Amazon UK charge, of course it's not.
On Amazon's UK site there are several importers who are selling this book from the USA from $32 so I would say that importing the book costs approx $5.

I have paid $34 from the book_depository advertised on Amazons site and I am satisfied with that.

At my age I don't take kindly to being preached to about where I buy and how much I pay, if you want to pay over the odds to support your local bookstore that's your perogative, I don't.

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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2007, 10:06:49 AM »
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After looking at the book in the B&N Store, i felt the book covered the topics i was already familiar with and knew about them. I decided to order it anyways - I wanted to get it as a tribute to Bruce Fraser.

However - upon reading details - i am really learning something new. Thanks for the updates Jeff - its very well worth getting the book and reading it throughly - even for experts/professional etc. There are a lot of nifty little pieces of info. that makes me wonder - now, why didnt i think of that before?

One great tip was in the sreenshot that organized images (DAM) - in Event, Place, People and Other - what a novel idea! - everything fits nicely....

Now, i need to figure out how to reorganize my 200+ mis-organized keyword categories in LR?
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« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2007, 02:45:02 PM »
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I do not own CS3 (far too expensive for me), but I do have Elements 6, ACR 4.3 and Capture One LE 4 (beta). Is this book useful for someone with this software, or will I miss out too much because it discusses functions missing in Elements (I believe ACR is "crippled" as well using Elements)? If the book dicsusses features available in C1, I'll probably be able to "translate" them from ACR to C1.
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« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2007, 12:22:26 PM »
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Is this book useful for someone with this software, or will I miss out too much because it discusses functions missing in Elements (I believe ACR is "crippled" as well using Elements)? If the book dicsusses features available in C1, I'll probably be able to "translate" them from ACR to C1.
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While some of the controls of Camera Raw 4.x are available in Elements 6, the book is written for Camera Raw 4, Bridge CS3 and Photoshop CS3. You will not be getting much if you are using Elements 6. Also, very little (besides the basics of digital capture covered in the opening chapters) would have ANY relevance to somebody using Capture One. So, I would save your money and use it elsewhere...
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