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« on: November 28, 2007, 04:17:59 PM »
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Has anyone tried the Hahnemuhle bamboo paper yet?  I like the price point on it so far.  I wonder what the archival numbers on it are like.
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2007, 04:24:53 PM »
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Has anyone tried the Hahnemuhle bamboo paper yet?  I like the price point on it so far.[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=156763\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Got it right here. Looks and prints like any high quality, natural white, smooth rag paper. It's great price point and environmental benefits are strong points.
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2007, 01:05:17 AM »
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I have been using it regularly since some samples I had on prototype media. I recently printed a series on production Bamboo and it is simply wonderful.

I talked with Hahnemuhle yesterday, and they asked if the fact that having a less bright and less whitened (optical brightener ) was a problem. I answered with what all serious photographers should, no as indeed it is the optical brightener that will degrade the media quicker than the pigment inks over a shorter period of time.
The surface is smoother than Phototrag, and the weight and feel different.
It gives a better contrast range, and has a slightly smoother transition into light colours. The gamut is also slightly better in most areas over PhotoRag (both custom profiles on the Z). The sharpness is at a whole new level, probably due to the smoother surface.
I still have a few rolls of PhotoRag, but if I am to buy matte it will be Bamboo in the future.
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2007, 03:33:38 AM »
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Got it right here. Looks and prints like any high quality, natural white, smooth rag paper. It's great price point and environmental benefits are strong points.
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It must be a nice paper. But in my opinion the environmental benefits of this paper do not reach further than the extra euros per sheet that go to HM's own ecological inititiative, Green Rooster (Rooster = Hahn) with the proposed project in Africa that isn't related to the bamboo pulp as far as I can see. There's no inherent relation between bamboo and environmental safety in general. No words on HM's site where the bamboo pulp has its origin. I do not claim that HM isn't a responsible company on environmental aspects but so far I see this more as an PR project. I love to see some evidence that bamboo pulp will make this world a better place but so far I have little indication it does. There's a lot more cotton than bamboo going through HM's mill by the way, opinions differ on what is a safer paper, from certified wood forests or from cotton fields.

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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2007, 04:48:31 AM »
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The paper sounds good and I'm certainly going to try it. I'm hoping the paper is smoother than PhotoRag, without the mechanical egg-shell look and the blotting paper feel and strength.

On the environment side of things , most Hahnemuhle papers are made from wood.
Just where the bamboo, cotton and paper come from , how much water and pesticides are used to grow the fibre and how many people and animals have been displaced has not yet been revealed. As far as I know no paper manufacturer is saying very much.

I suspect some time in the not too distant future, everything will come with an environmental audit.
For the moment it's anyone's guess.
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2007, 06:45:15 AM »
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The paper sounds good and I'm certainly going to try it. I'm hoping the paper is smoother than PhotoRag, without the mechanical egg-shell look and the blotting paper feel and strength.

On the environment side of things , most Hahnemuhle papers are made from wood.
Just where the bamboo, cotton and paper come from , how much water and pesticides are used to grow the fibre and how many people and animals have been displaced has not yet been revealed. As far as I know no paper manufacturer is saying very much.

I suspect some time in the not too distant future, everything will come with an environmental audit.
For the moment it's anyone's guess.
Cheers
Brian
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No idea on what it takes to make commercial paper.

But the surface is not eggshell like Photo rag.

Be aware that the surface coating has a different colour than the backing. Otherwise it is very nice with no manufacturing defects as far as I could see.
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2007, 11:14:09 AM »
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No idea on what it takes to make commercial paper.

But the surface is not eggshell like Photo rag.

Be aware that the surface coating has a different colour than the backing. Otherwise it is very nice with no manufacturing defects as far as I could see.
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On Epson printers, does it take photo black or matte black? I could not find the specs on this paper, but assume that it will have a whiteness closer to 90% than 100%. Does it have a warm tone?
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2007, 11:23:35 AM »
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Bamboo 290 data sheet.
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Bamboo 290 data sheet.
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Thanks, I should have looked at the Hahnemuhle site. But what about photo black vs. matte black? Is this is a matte paper?
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2007, 11:41:02 AM »
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Thanks, I should have looked at the Hahnemuhle site. But what about photo black vs. matte black? Is this is a matte paper?
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Neil said it was a very smooth matte paper so I would expect it to use matte black inks although on a Z3100 it probably uses both blacks.
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Neil said it was a very smooth matte paper so I would expect it to use matte black inks although on a Z3100 it probably uses both blacks.
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Yes, you are right. On the Colorbyte website, the only one where I could find up to date profiles, the profiles for Bamboo are for matte black. However, on a parallel thread (on Baryta paper) there was a post and exchange about the fact that prints on Bamboo look very good with photo black as well. Maybe the way of the future for us who use Epson printers with ink-wasting MK/PK exchange.
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Neil said it was a very smooth matte paper so I would expect it to use matte black inks although on a Z3100 it probably uses both blacks.
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What I'm told is that it is glossier (and warmer) than the Sihl Barite that I have and I print the last with the Fiber media profile of the Z3100 driver which uses PK + greys and GE. Seems unlikely that it needs MK.

Neil, the two qualities are different in color tone and gloss. If you are replacing the HM Photorag with Bamboo then I think you should ask Sihl France for some proof sheets. It could still be a quality that is sold by another manufacturer too but it isn't Bamboo.


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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2007, 02:15:48 PM »
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What I'm told is that it is glossier (and warmer) than the Sihl Barite that I have and I print the last with the Fiber media profile of the Z3100 driver which uses PK + greys and GE. Seems unlikely that it needs MK.

Neil, the two qualities are different in color tone and gloss. If you are replacing the HM Photorag with Bamboo then I think you should ask Sihl France for some proof sheets. It could still be a quality that is sold by another manufacturer too but it isn't Bamboo.
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Thanks, Ernst.

Hahnemuhle created an interesting [a href=\"http://www.hahnemuehle.com/media/downloads/62/Print_Instruction_HPZ3100-new_firmware.pdf]set of instructions[/url] for the Z3100 but unfortunately it doesn't yet include their new Baryta or Bamboo.  I'm hoping they update this doc when the papers become offcially available.
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2007, 02:23:39 PM »
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Thanks, Ernst.

Hahnemuhle created an interesting set of instructions for the Z3100 but unfortunately it doesn't yet include their new Baryta or Bamboo.  I'm hoping they update this doc when the papers become offcially available.
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Bamboo is definitely shipping. I don't know where they are with Baryta. I like the Bamboo a lot, the Baryta has too much eggshell like irregular texture for my liking.

I sent the Z3100 profile up onto the wiki if I remember right. I think I profiled it as >250 fine art matte on Firmware 5.04. I also have the same for the 9180.
Please note, the new Baryta papers just don't work with dye printers as far as I have seen. They are pigment only.
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2007, 03:54:00 PM »
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I have been printing on bamboo and baryta for some weeks now:

-Bamboo is a warm and smooth matte (very matte) paper. I don't now where this idea came from that Bamboo is a gloss paper. It prints beautiful and has a bit better black then Photorag.
-Baryta is a high-gloss fiber paper. The base is probably similar as Fine Art Pearl but with a Baryta coating. The paper is very white (like FAP) and seems to work especially well with color images. Yesterday I printed a series of Art Reproductions on this paper and came out very amazing. The black is  its strongest point.
-In the beginning of next year, Hahnemuhle will introduce another Baryta paper, based on PhotoRag  (like PhotoRag Pearl). Probably named Photo Rag Baryta, which will be warmer then the Fine art Baryta version. I am looking forward for that one. Also the Photo Rag Pearl I like a lot, more then FAP. Especially for Black/White

Ps. Prints are done on the Epson 9800. Matte black for Bamboo. Photo Black for Baryta.

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What I'm told is that it is glossier (and warmer) than the Sihl Barite that I have and I print the last with the Fiber media profile of the Z3100 driver which uses PK + greys and GE. Seems unlikely that it needs MK.

Neil, the two qualities are different in color tone and gloss. If you are replacing the HM Photorag with Bamboo then I think you should ask Sihl France for some proof sheets. It could still be a quality that is sold by another manufacturer too but it isn't Bamboo.
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2007, 04:41:59 PM »
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Bamboo is definitely shipping. I don't know where they are with Baryta. I like the Bamboo a lot, the Baryta has too much eggshell like irregular texture for my liking.

I sent the Z3100 profile up onto the wiki if I remember right. I think I profiled it as >250 fine art matte on Firmware 5.04. I also have the same for the 9180.
Please note, the new Baryta papers just don't work with dye printers as far as I have seen. They are pigment only.
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Yes, I remember, Neil.   That's one reason I'm interested in the Bamboo.  Your reports were very encouraging.  

My usual suppliers are saying the Bamboo will be available early December.  

I'm not as enthused about the Baryta now that you report you don't like the eggshell finish.
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2007, 06:01:14 PM »
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My usual suppliers are saying the Bamboo will be available early December.
ggshell finish.
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Ron-
I ordered a roll of Hahnemuhle Bamboo to play with from Shades of Paper and it is now in route.  I'm not sure who else has it, but their prices are in line with others, they have it, and I have heard good things about them from others (my first order with them).
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2007, 08:27:32 PM »
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Ron-
I ordered a roll of Hahnemuhle Bamboo to play with from Shades of Paper and it is now in route.  I'm not sure who else has it, but their prices are in line with others, they have it, and I have heard good things about them from others (my first order with them).
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Thanks, Ron.  I have ordered from them before.  I got my Bienfang de-roller there.
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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2007, 09:59:23 PM »
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Hello,

To add to the inquiry... Has anyone found a source for profiles for Hahnemuhle Bamboo?  The company has yet to place them on their site & I don't find them elsewhere.  Particularly for the Canon iPF5000 or perhaps an Epson 2200?

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Hello,

To add to the inquiry... Has anyone found a source for profiles for Hahnemuhle Bamboo?  The company has yet to place them on their site & I don't find them elsewhere.  Particularly for the Canon iPF5000 or perhaps an Epson 2200?

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Profile for Hahnemuhle Bamboo for iPF5000 at Booksmart Studio for nominal $4.00 charge (free if you buy paper from them, I believe):

[a href=\"http://www.booksmartstudio.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=72_217_225&products_id=3925]http://www.booksmartstudio.com/store/index...roducts_id=3925[/url]

--John
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