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« on: December 01, 2007, 11:09:01 PM »
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Have you used the plug-in Sitegrinder2 to create your photographer's website in Photoshop?

What are your experiences?

It looks very appealing to me, that you don't have to learn how to code or program, as this doesn't really interest me.

http://www.medialab.com/sitegrinder/

Offered are sitegrinder2 basic for 129$, and sitegrinder2 pro for 249$.

Which one would you recommend to buy?
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2007, 03:09:11 AM »
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Have you used the plug-in Sitegrinder2 to create your photographer's website in Photoshop?

What are your experiences?

It looks very appealing to me, that you don't have to learn how to code or program, as this doesn't really interest me.

http://www.medialab.com/sitegrinder/

Offered are sitegrinder2 basic for 129$, and sitegrinder2 pro for 249$.

Which one would you recommend to buy?
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Example pages display badly on my Mac Firefox. Forget it.

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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2007, 03:30:41 AM »
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In which way do they display poorly?

I just ran through the example pages with my mac firefox, and they display well.


One thing I noticed, that one page contained a flash gallery.

It's possibly a flash template, connected to the title page - how could one otherwise do that without actually having flash (which actually costs more than Photoshop)?
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2007, 05:25:51 AM »
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It's possibly a flash template, connected to the title page - how could one otherwise do that without actually having flash (which actually costs more than Photoshop)?[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=157623\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
You do not need Flash to produce Flash [swf] files, it's just that Flash is the most powerful [and difficult to learn!] way of doing it.
There are lots of programmes out there that output Flash files. Site grinder may be one of them.

If you are a professional photographer and you want a good professional website, why not employ a professional web designer? Web design is a damn site harder [and time consuming] to get right than taking pictures. Because if it looks right in photography it usually is right, whereas in web design, if it looks right, then it may or may not look right on another or even same browser. As evidenced by the differences viewed above, with the sample sites.
I have worked in a web design company [doing coding], but am I still considering getting someone else to write up the code for my next site. As it's more time/cost effective, than my learning all the current hacks to get a site working properly in all browsers.
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2007, 05:14:07 PM »
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What are your experiences?

If you like rolling your own give Coppermine a try.  It is free open source software and it will make a nice looking photo website.

http://coppermine-gallery.net/

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You do not need Flash to produce Flash [swf] files, it's just that Flash is the most powerful [and difficult to learn!] way of doing it.
There are lots of programmes out there that output Flash files. Site grinder may be one of them.

If you are a professional photographer and you want a good professional website, why not employ a professional web designer? Web design is a damn site harder [and time consuming] to get right than taking pictures. Because if it looks right in photography it usually is right, whereas in web design, if it looks right, then it may or may not look right on another or even same browser. As evidenced by the differences viewed above, with the sample sites.
I have worked in a web design company [doing coding], but am I still considering getting someone else to write up the code for my next site. As it's more time/cost effective, than my learning all the current hacks to get a site working properly in all browsers.
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I don't need a flashy website, just a quiet design to display work.

I am just hoping there would be software, that lets you do the design, and takes care of the  encoding.

After all, I don't want to depend on a developer every time I want to create new text or want to upload photos.

Sitegrinder does not seem to be well known, as I have not yet found a single person who has used it, not to speak of liking it.
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If you like rolling your own give Coppermine a try.  It is free open source software and it will make a nice looking photo website.

http://coppermine-gallery.net/

Jim
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Sounds interesting. I just couldn't find a website created with this software. Can you list one, or a few?
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2007, 07:58:32 PM »
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Just as an aside here I recall Zenfolio mentioning that they wanted to come up with a way to let people personalize their Zenfolio pages without the need to learn CSS or any of that.

Dunno what their time frame is but everything else about Zenfolio is pretty darn cool.  You might want to take a look at it.  (And maybe smugmug.)
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Just as an aside here I recall Zenfolio mentioning that they wanted to come up with a way to let people personalize their Zenfolio pages without the need to learn CSS or any of that.

Dunno what their time frame is but everything else about Zenfolio is pretty darn cool.  You might want to take a look at it.  (And maybe smugmug.)
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Thanks for adding this.

I have looked at the websites you mentioned, but I'm much too individualistic to place myself under someone else's roof.

I really want my own independent site.

And, as good as Zenfolio may be for many, it simply doesn't work with the way my business goes.
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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2007, 08:28:53 PM »
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I don't need a flashy website, just a quiet design to display work.

I am just hoping there would be software, that lets you do the design, and takes care of the  encoding.

After all, I don't want to depend on a developer every time I want to create new text or want to upload photos.

Sitegrinder does not seem to be well known, as I have not yet found a single person who has used it, not to speak of liking it.
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Honestly, you can design your own site in photoshop and imageready provides the coding. Obviously if you want advanced features you'll want a dedicated program but for basic html you can't beat photoshop/imageready (that's how I designed my site). All you would have to do is search for a good photo viewer to embed into your pages--giving you the custom look that you're after.
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2007, 09:06:48 PM »
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Lightroom makes lovely web photo galleries very easily. Once the galleries are created you upload them to a server accessible through your web address. But you still need a web page in which to create the links to the galleries. For this I used a real el cheapo page creator which requires NO html or coding knowledge at all. (Coffee Cup Visual Site Designer). It has the basics and allows you to create a page that's workable for simple purposes, such as accessing the galleries.
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2007, 03:00:30 AM »
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Honestly, you can design your own site in photoshop and imageready provides the coding. Obviously if you want advanced features you'll want a dedicated program but for basic html you can't beat photoshop/imageready (that's how I designed my site). All you would have to do is search for a good photo viewer to embed into your pages--giving you the custom look that you're after.
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Thanks for the great tip!

Imageready itself has been discontinued, but I found many of the features as an integral part of CS3.

This Adobe document gives an exact list what is still available.

[a href=\"http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb400899&sliceId=2]http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewConten...00899&sliceId=2[/url]

Do you know a good guide on how to use these features in CS3? So far I only found a few, short video tutorials.

PS: Great website! It really does all you need from a website: display your work in a tasteful way, and it is easy to navigate. (Did you actually have to battle color shifts when going to the web as one poster above mentioned?)
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2007, 04:49:57 AM »
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Thanks for the great tip!

Imageready itself has been discontinued, but I found many of the features as an integral part of CS3.

This Adobe document gives an exact list what is still available.

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewConten...00899&sliceId=2

Do you know a good guide on how to use these features in CS3? So far I only found a few, short video tutorials.

PS: Great website! It really does all you need from a website: display your work in a tasteful way, and it is easy to navigate. (Did you actually have to battle color shifts when going to the web as one poster above mentioned?)
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Thanks for the compliment--I seem to redesign it every year. I haven't upgraded to CS3 yet. Still CS2. As for the color shifts--I'm not 100% but I think it has to do with the color space itself. I normally use adobe98 but the web is sRGB so there will be a differnece. With my images--there is normally a desaturation of color more than color shift.
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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2007, 03:41:29 PM »
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This looks like an interesting program but I bet learning it would be as tough as learning Dreamweaver or Go Live.

Coming up with the design is the really hard part and this won't help you with that at all.
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2007, 05:01:06 PM »
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Sounds interesting. I just couldn't find a website created with this software. Can you list one, or a few?
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If you'd like to see the ugliest forum imaginable, visit the Coppermine forum.

Here's a link to a 38-page "Show us your Coppermine" thread but a lot of the posts are no longer using it [a href=\"http://coppermine-gallery.net/forum/index.php?topic=22690.0]http://coppermine-gallery.net/forum/index.php?topic=22690.0[/url]
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If you'd like to see the ugliest forum imaginable, visit the Coppermine forum.

Here's a link to a 38-page "Show us your Coppermine" thread but a lot of the posts are no longer using it http://coppermine-gallery.net/forum/index.php?topic=22690.0
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You're right. This doesn't look interesting.
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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2007, 12:07:11 AM »
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WilburDL's website shows that imageready is a very good application to go.

I searched the web for books on how to build a website with Photoshop CS3. Results: zero.

I found one short tutorial:

http://www.sitepoint.com/article/design-website-photoshop

And one useless youtube video tutorial.

There are some tutorials for imageready, but imageready seems to be differently organized, and its tools are strewn all over Photoshop.
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« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2007, 05:24:23 AM »
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Have you tried CS3 web gallery?
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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2007, 02:35:57 AM »
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Have you tried CS3 web gallery?
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Isn't it the same as the Lightroom gallery (which I am using at the moment)?
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