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« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2007, 09:31:26 AM »
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Teague, There is different info around on that. I was originally instructed to use Luster as the media type. There are many people using this and the Pixel Genius site suggests Luster as the media type as well.
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« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2007, 03:42:55 PM »
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Has anyone done any comparisons between the Hahnemuhle Fine Art Baryta 325 and the EEF?
Do they have the same texture or lack thereof?
I want to get some to try but cant decide which one? I print with a 3800.
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« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2007, 05:36:59 PM »
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Printing in ABW mode you don't use a profile, not that a profile could make this type of difference anyway.

Actually you can (and I wonder how you like it).

Select Let Photoshop Manage Color. Select sRGB for output space. Then use ABW mode at the defaults (Darker). What do you think?
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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2007, 01:55:10 AM »
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Is any one else seeing what look like micro cracks in the blacks of their images? I think it is from the texture of the paper. I've only made a handful of prints on this paper so far, but it is visible on all of them with significant black areas. Also it appears that these micro cracks aren't of the same density across the page, some areas have lots and lots, and others have very few to none.

Maybe I got a bad batch?

Derek
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I am trying my first batch of EEFP with an Epson 4000 and Imageprint. I tried using the
the Epson Premium Glossy profile and an Innova profile. With the Innova profile I definitely
see what you are seeing. With the Epson/Imageprint profile I see banding and "micro cracks".
I am not sure they are really cracks. I tried looking at them with a loupe and they do look like cracked patented leather but I can't really figure out what it is.
All of the "cracks" run the same direction. There are no vertical "cracks." The "cracks" are not just in the blacks. They are across the entire image. Check your prints out with a loupe.
I rushed home to try this paper so I haven't taken the time to profile the paper yet and I am
using an Epson 4000 so any testing I am doing is really off the wall.
I do notice lots of scuffing of the paper surface. Since I don't have a decent print yet I am
not treating the paper very kindly. Printing with my 4000 the prints exhibits major bronzing as well.
I don't want anyone to jump to any conclusions. I am using an older printer not the 3800 or x880 series printers. I haven't made a custom profile for the paper and neither, I don't think, has
Colorbyte. I just wanted Derek to know he isn't alone in seeing these "cracks."

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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2007, 07:28:50 AM »
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Thom, How are you feeding this paper on a 4000? Maybe the bending from the sheet feeder is causing an issue? Of course, if you're hand feeding it, never mind.
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« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2007, 08:12:57 AM »
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Actually you can (and I wonder how you like it).

Select Let Photoshop Manage Color. Select sRGB for output space. Then use ABW mode at the defaults (Darker). What do you think?
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Andrew, could you expand on this a little bit please?  I'm trying to get a hint of your feelings from the post and can't.   I have only used ABW once (print all my monos with RGB/WYSIWYG)--and wasn't thrilled, but are you saying you DO like this--or not---the 'what do you think?' at the end puzzled me.  

To others printing with Epson K3 printers (I have 3800)----I've been watching these threads on this paper--I was able to get samples on all the early fiber papers and ended up choosing the Innova Ultrasmooth and am interested in the EEF because others have mentioned its closer to the IUS--but better (correction here---I do not have Ultrasmooth but the F type Semi Matte, so this changes my thinking obviously after I went back and looked at descriptions of the Ultrasmooth).  I've tried all the usual sources for samples and haven't found a sample pack of several different baryta papers and/or the Exhibition Fiber--guess I'll have to buy a box of the least amount of several of the more highly praised ones and try for myself.  I read Michael's review of the Ilford and thought about trying that one first--but others seem to dislike it quite a lot.  

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« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2007, 09:57:48 AM »
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Andrew, could you expand on this a little bit please?  I'm trying to get a hint of your feelings from the post and can't.   I have only used ABW once (print all my monos with RGB/WYSIWYG)--and wasn't thrilled, but are you saying you DO like this--or not---the 'what do you think?' at the end puzzled me. 
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Normally you'd take your color image (in whatever color space) and print using ABW using No Color Management in the Print tab in Photoshop. I'm suggesting you try Let Photoshop Manage Color, then select sRGB, then use ABW as normal (but you might want to try the default of Darker not Dark).

Its a different print path. It just looks like a different color to gray conversion (cause it is) but the question is, is it preferable to using the older method (No Color Management)?
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« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2007, 10:17:01 AM »
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Thom, How are you feeding this paper on a 4000? Maybe the bending from the sheet feeder is causing an issue? Of course, if you're hand feeding it, never mind.
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I am manually feeding the paper.

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« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2007, 10:34:46 AM »
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Normally you'd take your color image (in whatever color space) and print using ABW using No Color Management in the Print tab in Photoshop. I'm suggesting you try Let Photoshop Manage Color, then select sRGB, then use ABW as normal (but you might want to try the default of Darker not Dark).

Its a different print path. It just looks like a different color to gray conversion (cause it is) but the question is, is it preferable to using the older method (No Color Management)?
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Thank you.  Guess I won't know until I try it.

Diane
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« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2007, 11:57:00 AM »
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Has anyone tried Eric Chan's EEFP profile for use with ABW mode in the 3800 driver (in order to use only black inks)?  Just looking for comments on the output, while I wait to get my hands on the paper.

http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Epson3800/index.html
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« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2007, 03:19:47 PM »
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Has anyone tried Eric Chan's EEFP profile for use with ABW mode in the 3800 driver (in order to use only black inks)?  Just looking for comments on the output, while I wait to get my hands on the paper.

http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Epson3800/index.html
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I hadn't looked at Eric's site for awhile, but was curious about some other things.  While I was there I looked at his favorite paper for the 3800 and saw that he cited the VFA in 17 x 22 sheets.  Its been one of my favorites for a good while but I went to another paper for larger than 13 x 19 thinking it wasn't available in 17x22 (mainly because one of the vendors I use doesn't carry it in that--surprise) and found, by checking Epson's site that it is.  Too bad its not available in 17 x 25--I use Hawks Mts. Condor for those, but I certainly will buy some VFA in 17 x 22 now.  


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« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2007, 05:08:30 PM »
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I hadn't looked at Eric's site for awhile, but was curious about some other things.  While I was there I looked at his favorite paper for the 3800 and saw that he cited the VFA in 17 x 22 sheets.  Its been one of my favorites for a good while but I went to another paper for larger than 13 x 19 thinking it wasn't available in 17x22 (mainly because one of the vendors I use doesn't carry it in that--surprise) and found, by checking Epson's site that it is.  Too bad its not available in 17 x 25--I use Hawks Mts. Condor for those, but I certainly will buy some VFA in 17 x 22 now. 
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Just got some EFP and tried Eric's ABW profile.  It came out very close to the screen image, but a tad on the darker side.  I may tweak this the next time.  I printed a color image using the Pixel Genius profile, but there was a definite color shift towards yellow and noticeably different than the screen image in Lightroom.  The output matched the Preview image from the print driver.  I switched to the Epson Premium Glossy profile in Lightroom, and the output matched exactly the screen image! I'm going with Epson profiles from now on.  I wonder what's with that??
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« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2007, 06:59:50 PM »
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I did try printing with sRGB as Andrew suggested. The print came out very similar to printing with no color management in ABW mode, maybe slightly different midtones. However, I'm not sure that there is much benefit to this as you are unable to simulate the paper color with sRGB so softproofing is a little less than useful.

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Normally you'd take your color image (in whatever color space) and print using ABW using No Color Management in the Print tab in Photoshop. I'm suggesting you try Let Photoshop Manage Color, then select sRGB, then use ABW as normal (but you might want to try the default of Darker not Dark).

Its a different print path. It just looks like a different color to gray conversion (cause it is) but the question is, is it preferable to using the older method (No Color Management)?
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« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2007, 02:14:47 PM »
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I did try printing with sRGB as Andrew suggested. The print came out very similar to printing with no color management in ABW mode, maybe slightly different midtones. However, I'm not sure that there is much benefit to this as you are unable to simulate the paper color with sRGB so softproofing is a little less than useful.
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This is confusing me.  Isn't ABW mode in the driver "color managed" by the driver?  You can't select "no color managment" in ABW mode, within the driver.  Am I missing something here?
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« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2007, 02:17:58 PM »
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This is confusing me.  Isn't ABW mode in the driver "color managed" by the driver?  You can't select "no color managment" in ABW mode, within the driver.  Am I missing something here?
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We're talking before you get to the Epson driver. Print (formally Print with Preview) in Photoshop.
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« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2008, 08:57:24 AM »
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Sorry if this a little out of topic, but how do you classify this type of paper? Judging by the name it sounds like matte paper, but based on what I have been reading here (PK ink, smooth, saturated colors, etc) it sounds more like glossy.

Or perhaps this paper is a hybrid that includes the heavy textured feeling of matte papers and the shine and saturated colors of glossy paper?


Thanks in advance
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« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2008, 08:58:49 AM »
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Sorry if this a little out of topic, but how do you classify this type of paper?

Its like Luster on steroids!
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« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2008, 09:01:01 AM »
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Its like Luster on steroids!
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Digitaldog to the rescue! That was fast


Thanks, maybe its because I never used paper labeled luster, but I don't exactly understand what you mean.
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« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2008, 09:04:45 AM »
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Thanks, maybe its because I never used paper labeled luster, but I don't exactly understand what you mean.
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Epson Premium Luster paper? Its pretty popular. Its used with Photo Blank ink, its not a matt paper.

This new paper is similar but much, much nicer.
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« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2008, 09:13:06 AM »
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Epson Premium Luster paper? Its pretty popular. Its used with Photo Blank ink, its not a matt paper.

This new paper is similar but much, much nicer.
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Got you. Yes, I see allot of people referencing Epson Premium Luster paper in both role and sheets. I take it that its Eposn's best Glossy paper and one of the best glossy papers in the market.

Makes sense now why you would call it luster on steroids. I got to wonder, though, with this paper offering so much is there a point of using matte paper anymore?

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