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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2008, 05:14:26 PM »
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I can add this. We had a 20, 24 and a 30 for three days at GATF this December and I had some time to work with a 24 in the UK a few weeks before that. Based solely on verification data and ColorThink comparisons using both Coloreyes and Remote Director we saw a pretty impressive color range easily satisfying some very critical prepress customers looking for the next monitor for soft proofing. I have never seen verifications of cmyk color lists as low on any monitor. While these were pre release versions is does suggest some potential.
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2008, 11:44:00 PM »
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I can add this. We had a 20, 24 and a 30 for three days at GATF this December and I had some time to work with a 24 in the UK a few weeks before that. Based solely on verification data and ColorThink comparisons using both Coloreyes and Remote Director we saw a pretty impressive color range easily satisfying some very critical prepress customers looking for the next monitor for soft proofing. I have never seen verifications of cmyk color lists as low on any monitor. While these were pre release versions is does suggest some potential.
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Jack,
which products are you talking about?  The Samsung XL's???
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2008, 07:52:40 AM »
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We had an XL-20 24 and 30 for testing. The 30 was a very pre production model and did not have an internal monitor lut so it's way to early to know much about that product. The 20 and 24 are both  setup for monitor lut adjustment and showed pretty impressive performance. Again these were not final production units so it's not fair to say they will be great, only that there seems to be a lot of potential there.
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2008, 08:15:05 AM »
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NEC will announce their 30" today at Macworld.
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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2008, 09:28:50 AM »
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We had an XL-20 24 and 30 for testing. The 30 was a very pre production model and did not have an internal monitor lut so it's way to early to know much about that product. The 20 and 24 are both  setup for monitor lut adjustment and showed pretty impressive performance. Again these were not final production units so it's not fair to say they will be great, only that there seems to be a lot of potential there.
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A question.  I prefer to edit in 5000K. How well do these monitors handle 5000K?
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« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2008, 03:03:02 PM »
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NEC will announce their 30" today at Macworld.
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Here's the link to their press release.   Their estimated street price is $2200.

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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2008, 03:07:10 PM »
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Nice, but will be overshadowed quickly.  <100% aRGB coverage and still non-LED backlight = old tech.  The 12 bit is nice though.
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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2008, 03:15:21 PM »
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Nice, but will be overshadowed quickly.  <100% aRGB coverage and still non-LED backlight = old tech.  The 12 bit is nice though.
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Assuming you feel the spec's (percentage of Adobe RGB (1998)) mean much, cause like scanner resolution (1200x1900) and megapixels (chip or what is captured), this doesn't mean much. In fact I'm kind of surprised to see NEC use this spec (it is however a press release).

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>Correct. 93% of Adobe RGB (1998), whatever that means. And the LED is
>108% of Adobe RGB (1998), again whatever that means.

To clarify what this means, since there is a lot of confusion about
this in the industry (intentional or not):

The de facto standard when throwing around display gamut sizes is
currently to quote the gamut area, calculated in CIE xy, relative to
a reference gamut and expressed as a percentage. If the reference
color gamut is unspecified, it is generally assumed to be NTSC (1953)
- (which is pretty useless since it's not in use and makes things
more confusing, especially for those doing video work).

Another confusing point about this figure is that it does not say
what portion of the 2 gamuts overlap, so it would be possible to have
a very large % gamut area, but only have a smaller portion of it
actually covering the reference gamut.

At NEC we have started to quote 2 sets of figures: "Percent Area" and
"Percent Coverage".

The "Percent Area" is simply the area in CIE xy of the display gamut
vs the reference gamut, with no consideration of how much of the
gamuts actually overlap. This value can be > 100%.

The "Percent Coverage" is the overlapping area of the 2 gamuts
expressed as a percent of the total area of the reference gamut. The
maximum possible value for this is 100%.

We generally quote these values for AdobeRGB and sRGB, so it is
easier to determine which color gamut best suits a particular application.

Using CIE xy is not ideal because it overemphasizes the greens and
under emphasizes the blues. A much better way would be to use CIE u'
v', but that would probably cause more confusion and make direct
comparisons even more difficult.

Will Hollingworth
Manager of OEM Product Design & Development Engineering
NEC Display Solutions of America, Inc.
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« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2008, 09:14:18 PM »
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The new LaCie 24" seems like more of a Video editing monitor.  

I think that I will jump on the 26" Nec Specraview for $1300.00.  I would love to get a great review on the 26" NEC vs the Samsung XL monitors....But I don't like the square format of the XL monitors.  Where is Karl Lang?Huh?

I will let you know how I feel about it after I get it.

Ken
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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2008, 08:19:01 AM »
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Where is Karl Lang?Huh?
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Karl did exhaustive testing on the NEC's and Apple's, the results should be up on his site soon (there's more content there in the last week or so). Keep an eye out.

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« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2008, 03:54:01 PM »
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After going back and forth between the Samsung XL24 and the 26" NEC (that has been sold out for months)  I finally found a creditable source from samsung stating that the XL24 won't be out until march (mid) or so.  I bought the NEC 26"  yesterday and the spectra-view software from NEC directly.  Stinks as it is MUCH more money getting the monitor and hood and puck and software all separately VS the Spectra-view package.  I really wanted the XL 24 but I can't wait 1.5 months.

I will let you know how I like the NEC.

Ken
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