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Bruce MacNeil
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« on: January 17, 2008, 10:11:26 AM »
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It has been so long since:

1) Aperture 1.5 was released, and,
2) I have been waiting for the Canon 1Ds-III support that:

I assume there is some health crisis among the Apple employees tasked with tweaking the program known as Aperture. Maybe they are all watching movies on their iPods?Huh

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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2008, 11:55:25 AM »
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What is happening?

Everybody is moving to Lightroom...
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2008, 03:55:51 PM »
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What is happening?

Everybody is moving to Lightroom...
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I didn't initially like Lightroom but it's certainly looking more attractive by the day.
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2008, 04:02:30 PM »
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PMA is just around the corner & Apple has a history of tying announcements to specific trade shows. (at least on the video side of things :-) I am really hoping for an update...
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2008, 04:55:18 PM »
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PMA is just around the corner & Apple has a history of tying announcements to specific trade shows. (at least on the video side of things :-) I am really hoping for an update...
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It will be shocking if anyone announces anything at PMA, that show is tanking.

And you'd think they would have done this at MacWorld this week.

Yup, I think their sales are pretty low.
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2008, 02:48:25 PM »
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It will be shocking if anyone announces anything at PMA, that show is tanking.

And you'd think they would have done this at MacWorld this week.

Yup, I think their sales are pretty low.
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I think Apple needs to release a major upgrade to Aperture or they can call it quits to the pro. Lightroom may not be as elegant but it works and professionals need tools not soft fuzzy good feeling useless things.
Most people also need programs that serve their needs.
I think Apple is making a huge mistake in their handling of Aperture.
I really like it but have been running both LR and Aperture just incase and it looks as if my cya could prove worth the extra time I've spent.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2008, 09:43:44 AM »
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Like Alexpix and others I have now been forced into double-handing but I am not sure for how long

 -even tho' I much prefer Aperture I prefer the simplicity of a single system even more.

I guess I'll give it a little longer but the sheer inability to deliver what they promised ie a system

 to meet the needs of pro's and serious amateurs makes one nervous about the long term even if
 
we were to get an incremental improvement in the near future.
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2008, 10:00:16 AM »
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According to what's been published in the public domain the development team has been overhauled twice.  Additionally 'Core' developers were shifted in to consumer products to get them launched e.g. iPhone.  Then Leopard was the priority.  Camera RAW support and Aperture development doesn't appear top of the pile.

Draw your own conclusions, but IMO Apple lost a lot of trust when they launched 1.0, gained some of it back with a swift resolution to some of the main issues, in failing to do the basics i.e. keep up to date with camera launches it's rapidly loosing it again.
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2008, 02:39:00 AM »
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I'm another one who has started doing a CYA/CMA by running LR in addition to Aperture.

While LR has some real quirks when used to AP. There are other things that it does much more elegantly than AP..the Flash based web galleries for one, IMO. My clients much prefer proofing from LR galleries, even with them being Flash and not being able to "right-click" to save as.

Not to move the thread too much. But, last week, post CES, there was some rumor-mongering again that Apple might be positioning itself to buy Adobe. Might explain why we are perceiving Apple as dragging their feet in Aperture development. It would make more sense for them to use dev resources on consumer devices and do just enough to keep Aperture alive with the faintest of heartbeats until an Adobe crew would be able to really overhaul and/or merge.

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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2008, 05:07:53 AM »
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I'm another one who has started doing a CYA/CMA by running LR in addition to Aperture.

While LR has some real quirks when used to AP. There are other things that it does much more elegantly than AP..the Flash based web galleries for one, IMO. My clients much prefer proofing from LR galleries, even with them being Flash and not being able to "right-click" to save as.

Not to move the thread too much. But, last week, post CES, there was some rumor-mongering again that Apple might be positioning itself to buy Adobe. Might explain why we are perceiving Apple as dragging their feet in Aperture development. It would make more sense for them to use dev resources on consumer devices and do just enough to keep Aperture alive with the faintest of heartbeats until an Adobe crew would be able to really overhaul and/or merge.

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2008/pu...111_003899.html
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Rumor mongering by Cringely?  He's no better than 50/50 on options that have only 2 outcomes  
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2008, 05:00:39 PM »
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Over on AppleInsider.com is updated news about the OSX 10.5.2 build. Although the details are limited is did specifically mention that some of he documented fixes in this build "target image noise in RAW files".

So, there does seem to be Aperture related items in 10.5.2.
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2008, 10:32:22 AM »
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Not to move the thread too much. But, last week, post CES, there was some rumor-mongering again that Apple might be positioning itself to buy Adobe. Might explain why we are perceiving Apple as dragging their feet in Aperture development. It would make more sense for them to use dev resources on consumer devices and do just enough to keep Aperture alive with the faintest of heartbeats until an Adobe crew would be able to really overhaul and/or merge.[a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=168324\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
I heard that rumour elsewhere and can hardly think of anything worse and that's speaking as someone just about to buy a MacPro and maybe a Macbook Pro later in year. That's if they bring out a 13" version, that is usuable, rather than crippled, that is!
 Apple bought Logic, a respected piece of audio software that had a 50% PC user base and they simply dropped support for the PC version to force people to buy Macs. Didn't go down very well. At all.
Never worked out why people think Apple are are cuddly friendly company, they are a typical huge multinational which can be very aggressive and bullying, worse than MS even. At least Gates spends his fortune helping combat poverty and disease.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2008, 11:19:26 AM »
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I also seem to recall that for Aperture or any other Apple software to recognise new RAW files it was an OS update and not an Aperture update that is needed. Not sure if that is still so under Leopard.
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2008, 05:41:16 AM »
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I am *NOT* going to be happy if I have to upgrade to 10.5 to process mt D3 RAW files...my 10.4 workstation has been very stable for 2 years!!!! Ugh...


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I also seem to recall that for Aperture or any other Apple software to recognise new RAW files it was an OS update and not an Aperture update that is needed. Not sure if that is still so under Leopard.
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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2008, 06:55:26 AM »
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Then you're not going to be happy. Aperture is tied to the Mac OS and to my knowledge can not add support for new cameras with an OS upgrade.

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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2008, 06:57:27 AM »
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My advice, and the path I recently took: sell Aperture (you can get a relatively good price on eBay) and buy Lightroom.

I loved Aperture when it was first released but couldn't hold back the temptation to try Lightroom in one of its earliest forms. I came away knowing that I was in the right camp - Aperture was right for me.

Months passed, Lightroom got better and better, Aperture appeared to get slower and clunkier with every image added to the library, until one day I snapped and decided to try Lightroom again.

2 days later Aperture was listed on eBay and Lightroom was purchased. I doubt I'll be going back...
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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2008, 07:41:46 AM »
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I am *NOT* going to be happy if I have to upgrade to 10.5 to process mt D3 RAW files...my 10.4 workstation has been very stable for 2 years!!!! Ugh...
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You needn't bee too gloomy.  Apple have traditionally released camera updates alongside OS upgrades irrespective of version.  On occasions Apple have also made Camera RAW support packages available outside of the normall OS update schedule.

Leopard is only present on 20% of the installed base so it's reasonable to expect Tiger and Panther support for a little while to come.

This doesn't of course excuse the tardy pace or prioritization Apple have placed on supporting the latest RAW formats.
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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2008, 07:59:34 AM »
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This is an entirely speculative post based entirely on rumors and no inside knowledge.  I have Apple holdings but no Adobe stock either directly or in funds..

In order to fund my interest in photography I spend the hours of daylight: and many nights in corporate finance and investment banking (Pharma/Biotech).  Since late 2004 there has been constant speculation Apple and Adobe would merge their business in one way or another.  

Right now that speculation has increased.  Apple have come under increasing pressure to do something with it's cash pile and Adobe is undergoing a management change many have interpreted as transitionary.

You can infer from that what you want but as I said it's pure speculation.  I've spoken to colleagues active in this sector and while there is some activity it's very difficult to draw any conclusions.  Companies constantly review their strategic options and it's not always easy to separate strategic fishing exercises from any meaningful activity.
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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2008, 02:15:11 PM »
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>You can infer from that what you want but as I said it's pure speculation. I've spoken to colleagues >active in this sector and while there is some activity it's very difficult to draw any conclusions. >Companies constantly review their strategic options and it's not always easy to separate strategic >fishing exercises from any meaningful activity.

Well, that would be one way to eliminate the perennial threat of Adobe halting Mac development...and that would be funny to see MS asking Apple to continue development on Win apps instead of the other way around! lol...
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« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2008, 01:53:21 PM »
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