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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2008, 03:21:00 PM »
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This may interest you: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_p...id=7-9206-9248/
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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2008, 03:49:02 PM »
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RAW format update coming for Mac OS, says Apple product manager 
Tuesday, January 29, 2008 | by Rob Galbraith

In a recent posting in Apple's Aperture support forums, Joe Schorr, Sr. Product Line Manager for Photo Applications at Apple, hints that updated RAW format support is coming soon to the Mac OS.
 
Following Apple company policy, he doesn't say when, or what new camera RAW files will be supported, though it's a fair guess that the Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III, Nikon D300 and D3 will be among those added and that Aperture, iPhoto and other programs that draw on this OS-level code to display and convert RAW format photos will be the beneficiaries of this update, when it comes.
 
The content of Schorr's January 23, 2008 post is below. The forum thread containing the post is here.
 
As I'm sure many of you know, it's not Apple's policy to provide a public "ETA" on future releases, so I can't post anything like a timetable for when support for the newest RAW camera formats will become available.

But I can tell you this. We at Apple are ACUTELY aware of the pressing need to get support for the newest round of camera into your hands as soon as possible. This is a top priority. We have members of our own team using these cameras, so you can imagine how interested we are in seeing this support integrated into the Mac OS and our photo applications!

We fully intent to give our customers what they need in this regard.

Thanks!

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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2008, 04:14:12 PM »
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Oh okay, thanks. I'm involved in that thread on the referenced Apple Support Forums.

I was hoping for some Aperture specific news.
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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2008, 06:20:23 PM »
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Looks like Joe Shore has stated that a new version or update is coming very soon.
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2008, 02:34:26 AM »
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Actually he said "soon", not "very".

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We're constantly working to make Aperture an even better tool for users, and will soon release an upgrade that includes RAW format support for new cameras and other exciting new features. Please stay tuned.

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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2008, 09:47:52 AM »
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That link was there this morning (UK time) but it looks like it's been censored.

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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2008, 10:53:27 AM »
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That link was there this morning (UK time) but it looks like it's been censored.

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I was active in that one too.  

It has been removed. Basically, it was Joe Schorr proactively trying to put out a fire / calm a core creative community by saying that there would be an update "soon", with no date. It was his choice to do this, as he started the thread.

About 4 1/2 pages of posts then ensued ranging from disapproval of Apple's communication to the pro community (majority of posts) to the some saying "they can't wait", with upbeat candor. With the former the overwhelming sticking points were:

1. Slow update of RAW support for cameras
2. No predictable timeline, its unacceptability, and how it negatively effects a pro workflow

There was quite a bit of "Thanks, but your post is too little, too late..~we already moved to Lightroom"

Personally, I did not see any pot shots...hopefully it will be a wake up call for Apple on how much they irritated a core creative group. I don't think they were expecting the public lashing that that thread gave them.
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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2008, 11:18:12 AM »
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And it's back again now - I suspect one or two more hotheaded posts have been removed. Not the usual sort of issue, not the usual sort of censorship.

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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2008, 06:05:28 AM »
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And it's back again now - I suspect one or two more hotheaded posts have been removed. Not the usual sort of issue, not the usual sort of censorship.

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I wonder what sort of effect this has - is it just a small minority of disgruntled users, or does it represent a threat? I have no idea of how many copies Aperture sells, or how many users will walk over to LR over this issue. For Joe Schorr to make 2 statements suggests that it is taken moderately seriously, but those statements are pretty empty, when you look at them.

Personally, I am not a pro, or a very exacting user, but it annoys me to have to wait to integrate my new toy (D300) into my life, and I am also concerned that the effort I put into Aperture cataloguing etc will be wasted if it gets stranded down the road.

I set a personal time limit of Macworld to see an update, and then extended it to PMA. I suspect I will extend it a bit more - but not long. Does Apple care? We'll see.
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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2008, 06:59:18 AM »
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I suspect Apple will have to make a really big push with Aperture or it will loose the ground it made.  With a relatively small market-share and so many competing interests Apple could loose interest despite the activities of it's employees closer to the coal face.

Market share comments:  
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2007/10/apert..._lightroom.html
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« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2008, 10:28:51 AM »
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No, it will lose that interest despite the activities of its employees... Bingo!
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« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2008, 12:26:19 PM »
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I suspect Apple will have to make a really big push with Aperture or it will loose the ground it made.  With a relatively small market-share and so many competing interests Apple could loose interest despite the activities of it's employees closer to the coal face.

Market share comments: 
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2007/10/apert..._lightroom.html
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Or buy Adobe?
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« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2008, 12:28:38 PM »
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Thanks John:)  I normally pride myself on fairly decent spelling and grammar.  In retrospect the whole post could have been better phrased.
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« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2008, 01:15:11 PM »
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Thanks John:)  I normally pride myself on fairly decent spelling and grammar.  In retrospect the whole post could have been better phrased.
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I'm always amused by all the variations of spelling Aperture - we've got "Aperature" in one thread on this forum, and I think there's an Apperture somewhere. They should have simply called it "f"....

But going back to the gist of your post, obviously you're right and Apple are going to have to make a big effort, if there's still enough profit in it.

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« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2008, 03:35:44 PM »
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OS-X 10.5.2 has just been posted and according to the notes the RAW format from a number of additional cameras are now supported including the Canon G9 and 1Ds MkIII, Nikon D3 and D300, Sony A700, Hasselblad CF-22 and CF-39, and Leaf 75s.

In my haste to post this I assumed that with this update the RAW files would be read by Aperture. But they are not - yet. Until an update (to Aperture, I assume) is available they can be viewed with the Finder, but are an "unsupported image format" to Aperture. How frustrating...
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« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2008, 08:05:10 AM »
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Aperture 2.0 for $199 or $99 upgrade.
A far cry from the $500 dollars they originally wanted for it.
Aperture 2


Though if you try and download the trial you get 1.56 instead. Nice one Apple.
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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2008, 08:25:07 AM »
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Aperture 2.0 for $199 or $99 upgrade.
A far cry from the $500 dollars they originally wanted for it.
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Desperation it seems. Is there a demo cause there's no way I'd pay $99 to upgrade my copy without one. And the upgrade fee seems pretty high compared to the new price.

I suspect if this version doesn't sell well, Steve will pull the plug on this pup. Let the team fix ColorSync or something really useful.
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« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2008, 08:30:30 AM »
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I edited post before seeing your reply - there is a demo, but the link takes you to the 1.56 trial. Duh!
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« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2008, 08:36:26 AM »
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I edited post before seeing your reply - there is a demo, but the link takes you to the 1.56 trial. Duh!
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I just read this on MacWorld site:
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New tools include Recovery, used for pulling back "blown" highlights, Vibrancy, for boosting saturation selectively without messing up skin tones, Definition, which lets you add clarity to images using local contrast


Could they be talking about Lightroom 1.3?

Seriously, this is a sign....
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« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2008, 09:46:53 AM »
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Apple really blew it with the Aperture 2.0 upgrade.  They upgraded OSX 10.5.2 to support RAW for the latest line of digital cameras.  This support was also ported over to iPhoto but not Aperture 1.5.6, forcing current owners to upgrade for this same RAW support.

Current owners of the Academic version are not eligible for an upgrade and must purchase the full version.  This is something Adobe got right years ago allowing owners of Educational versions to upgrade.

I hope the rumors of an Adobe takeover by Apple is not true!


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