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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2008, 02:20:14 PM »
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I'm no expert on monitors, but I was looking at a new NEC at the Focus on Imaging exhibition here in the UK.  It seemed very impressive, is a 30" monitor and will be released around July this year.

May be worth looking at ....

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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2008, 02:26:19 PM »
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Are the people complaining about colour accuracy talking about 'out of the box' performance?

Only calibrated performance is relevant, imho.
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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2008, 03:04:53 PM »
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In regards to Apples and Dells - they simple are not half the monitors that those discussed in this thread are.
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Would you care to elaborate on that? On the few tests I am reading about the Dell 30" and the spec's (both tested as well as stated by the manufacturer) the monitor is actually pretty good. Not as good as the Eizo but certainly not far behind the NEC.

I would love to know where the Dells fall short?

Sure you get what you pay for, I am used to paying more than double for a MFDB that according to some is only a small percentage better than the 1DSIII

Now, does the same apply for monitors?

BTW. Naturally we are only talking about calibrated performance otherwise it is impossible/futile to compare.
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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2008, 03:51:13 PM »
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Are the people complaining about colour accuracy talking about 'out of the box' performance?

Only calibrated performance is relevant, imho.
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We're talking about the monitor's *ability * to be calibrated.

Of course some of us then turn around and talk about the calibration device and software quality

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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2008, 03:57:29 PM »
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PVA vs S-IPS screen

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And, what would be those differences, please?
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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2008, 04:24:35 PM »
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Just to clarify my previous post - I am using the NEC 2490Wuxi.  Nill and routlaw's comments are accurate to my experience. The uxi series is completely different that the other nec's.
 It has a very wide viewing angle - if it didn't, it just wouldn't work for me as I shoot in the studio with live video and am often viewing the screen at a severe angle.  I can also report it is very even in luminance and color across the whole screen.  And, again the calibration software is great.  I haven't done it yet, but I believe you can make and store different profiles and change with a click.
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« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2008, 04:41:46 PM »
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I haven't done it yet, but I believe you can make and store different profiles and change with a click.
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Yes, that's correct.
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« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2008, 08:25:26 PM »
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Regarding the Lacie. Not sure why so many folks are enthusiastic about this company. Lacie makes nothing, zero zilch nada including the displays which are all made by NEC. Lacie markets things and re-badges products made by other companies, which you get to pay higher prices for and receive gawd awful customer service with. [a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=179043\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
I bought two LaCies a couple of years back and they were very cheap compared to others on the market, including the monitors they were rebadged versions of.
Some of my ext hard drives are LaCies and again they were very good value. But I don't buy direct from LaCie as their prices are way above what you can pay elsewhere.

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I've had the Eizo CG211 for a couple of months. It's fabulous for soft proofing. You can shift your head from side-to-side without seeing any color or luminance shift. That is not the case with the NEC or LaCie monitors. [a href=\"index.php?act=findpost&pid=179087\"][{POST_SNAPBACK}][/a]
Funny I don't get that problem with my LaCies and they produce perfect colours out of the box too.
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« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2008, 03:26:32 AM »
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I've been using an Eizo CG21 for a number of years now, and it's great.

Given that, my next monitor will be an NEC.  I was gonna get the 2690, but will now wait for the new NEC 30 inch (3090) to come out.  It's supposed to be pretty impressive.  I've spoken to a number of dealers and they say, once calibrated, the NEC are just as good as the Eizo, but at a considerable price break.
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« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2008, 03:32:19 AM »
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recently bought a nec 2690wuxi and i love it! it looked good out of the box, then i calibrated it iwith my gretag eye1display to make it look awful.
i went upgrading to a eye1display2 , now it looks great! i am very happy that i didn't spend more on an Eizo
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« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2008, 04:13:28 AM »
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recently bought a nec 2690wuxi and i love it! it looked good out of the box, then i calibrated it iwith my gretag eye1display to make it look awful.
i went upgrading to a eye1display2 , now it looks great! i am very happy that i didn't spend more on an Eizo
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My impression is that display quality is generally decreasing as manufacturers are shooting for speed and luminosity over viewing angle. Strongly directional monitors look brighter when you're right in front of them -headlight effect-  and brightness matters for watching video in well-lit environments. Some of the worst offenders in this respect are the latest Apple laptops.

For those of you who want wide-gamut, the Samsung XL20 is an interesting new entry in the market:

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« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2008, 04:43:28 AM »
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Hi
Quato. Been using one almost 2 years.
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« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2008, 04:52:29 AM »
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Quato. Been using one almost 2 years.
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Yes, Quato are definitely high-quality and proofing-oriented. In the past the Eizo/Quato fight was as close as Obama/Clinton, although Eizo always had a better channel presence due to the fact that they sell a lot of non-specialist displays as well. I'm not sure how good the support for Quato in third-party profiling software is these days, but I'm sure Jack or Derrick will tell us

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« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2008, 08:09:21 AM »
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...  I haven't done it yet, but I believe you can make and store different profiles and change with a click.
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Why would one want to do that?  For different ambient lighting conditions?  For different print viewing conditions?

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« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2008, 08:15:05 AM »
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Why would one want to do that?  For different ambient lighting conditions?  For different print viewing conditions?

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Exactly. Even different contrast ratio based on paper type.
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« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2008, 07:37:08 PM »
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hey guys,
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what´s the difference between the 210/211CG and my CG241w except size???
cause i´ve been working with that for 4 months now, and coming from an old 17"apple studiodisplay
it makes such a difference.
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the crazy thing with the macbookpro´s screen is, that it´s so different in brightness and tint ( even calibrated with the same tools ( spyder 3 elite and coloureyes displaypro)) that you`re simply fumblin´in the "bright" when you´re working that way and there seems to be nothing to be done about this.

cheers, zobelinski from NZ
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« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2008, 10:15:22 PM »
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I'm no expert on monitors, but I was looking at a new NEC at the Focus on Imaging exhibition here in the UK.  It seemed very impressive, is a 30" monitor and will be released around July this year.

May be worth looking at ....
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There was also a new 30" Samsung, not on sale yet that looked quite interesting. I forget the name of it unfortunately. They claimed it was better than an Eizo!
The chap at the Eizo stand laughed at that claim. Hard to tell if this was hubris or the simple facts.
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« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2008, 08:51:44 AM »
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Exactly. Even different contrast ratio based on paper type.
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Hi!

What's the idea behind this? To lessen the difference between softproof and normal viewing? To have the largest amount of levels available in display when softproofing?


Sorry an OT question: How is the whitepoint defined in common pressprofiles (especially ISOcoatedV2ECI vs EuroscaleCoatedv2) as there are big differences between the profiles although they are often used on the same papers? At least the softproof gives a very different hue depending on the profile. Are they calculated from averaged measurements of several typical coated papers?

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« Reply #38 on: March 12, 2008, 09:08:47 AM »
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• Eizo's displays are used for medical imaging which may mean they're meeting more stringent standards.
• CG210/CG211 and Apple's 23 use S-IPS LCD panels while the CG241w uses S-PVA:
http://lists.apple.com/archives/Colorsync-...v/msg00406.html
• The same gradient file on the CG241w will appear more choppy/with steps while smoother on the CG211, perhaps due to each display's internal electronics.

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what´s the difference between the 210/211CG and my CG241w except size???
cheers, zobelinski from NZ
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« Reply #39 on: March 12, 2008, 09:25:00 AM »
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• Eizo's displays are used for medical imaging which may mean they're meeting more stringent standards.
• CG210/CG211 and Apple's 23 use S-IPS LCD panels while the CG241w uses S-PVA:
http://lists.apple.com/archives/Colorsync-...v/msg00406.html
• The same gradient file on the CG241w will appear more choppy/with steps while smoother on the CG211, perhaps due to each display's internal electronics.
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Yes, the CG210/211 is has a smaller gamut, but is much more resistant to viewing angle changes than the CG241.The CG211 is less bright than the CG210 but more uniform. The choppiness of the CG241w may be due to the larger gamut which means more delta per step. I prefer the CG210/211  to the CG241, by far but the CG221/222 is also very nice if you need wide gamut. I'm not sure the CG241 really deserves the "CG" designation.

Frankly, the CG are usually "reference monitors" and normal human beings would probably do better going for the cheaper ColorEdge series.

Edmund
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