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« Reply #200 on: March 20, 2008, 07:06:16 AM »
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Corners are also an area where the superior handling of a car designed for speed (Porsche, Ferrari, etc.) will keep it firmly attached to the road at speeds and lateral G-forces that will send a Yugo through the guard rail and into the canyon. If you were to follow directly behind a Formula One driver in a Toyota, so that both of you were driving the same line through a corner, the Toyota is going to break loose and hit the wall long before the race car.



Again, this is exactly correct. The steering system, the braking system, and the suspension system are all factors that contribute to handling quality and capability in a race ... on top of the legitimate ability to go fast ... that matter most in effective racing capability, long before the difference in "human" capability will ever come into play.

It is simply impossible for low-end cars to take corners and achieve maximum speed like a professional race car, I don't care who is driving ... just as it is simply impossible for a disposable camera to take macro photos like a high-end SLR with a good macro lens, I don't care who is taking the shots.

Again, it is only when the equipment gets "close" in capability, where the user skill will now begin to make the difference.

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« Reply #201 on: March 20, 2008, 08:42:36 AM »
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Dear God, the lunatics are indeed in charge here.

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It's been two months and they still haven't figured out we hacked the hospital's wireless network.  It's one of the nicer places I've stayed actually--several of us here are into photography and we convinced Dr. Reichmann (a coincidence?) that an 11880 would be highly therapeutic.  Supposed to arrive early next week.

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« Reply #202 on: March 20, 2008, 09:01:59 AM »
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One of my best friends used to do a lot of SCCA amateur racing.  I'd often go with him just so I could shoot the cars.  I can remember one particular race where the course that had been set up was particularly tight and was giving the drivers fits.  Then it became the turn of John, one of the best drivers in the club, to take a shot at it.  John was actually driving a Porsche Carrera that belonged to one of the other drivers.  The owner of the Carrera often let John drive it because John could get a lot more out of the car due to his superior skill.  (Two drivers....same car, but different skill levels...skill won.  And won every time, I might add.)  John sets out on the course, throwing the Carrera into the exceptionally tight turns.  He was planting the inside wheel on the pylon, throwing the hand brake, then using the power and weight of the rear-engined Porsche to spin the rear end around the turns before releasing everything and screaming off to the next turn.  I gotta say...it was impressive. lol  Sure enough, when he crossed the finish line, John had shaved 5 seconds or so off the next best time.  That time stood through quite a few drivers.  Then came one of the old guys in the club.  He was driving his old Datsun 1600.  Without squealing a tire, he was able to shave a half second off John's time.  I guess we should have expected it since this old guy used to be the driving instructor for our highway patolmen before he retired.  (Two drivers...one with much better gear...skill still wins.)
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« Reply #203 on: March 20, 2008, 09:29:51 AM »
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Yep, they're pretty quick - when I was younger I ran a 900 sports bike and the Lotus Carlton was just about the only car that ever left me standing:) - to be fair I bottled and he just blasted off into the distance.

My original comment was that racetracks tend to have corners and travelling fast around them is much more skilled than driving in a straight line!

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The corners are definitely more fun than the straights. I learnt to drive in the Forest of Dean which barely has a straight road anywhere and my brother, who owns his own motorcycle engine tuning company, used to tune up cars like Escort RS Turbos, Lotus Exige's, Grasstrack cars, Westfield Group B's etc. We spent countless hours chucking these tuned up racing cars around the coners, great fun! Ironically my brother had a Suzuki 1100 and raced it against the Carlton. The bike was left standing.

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« Reply #204 on: March 20, 2008, 09:42:59 AM »
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The corners are definitely more fun than the straights.
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But isn't image quality usually worse in the corners?
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« Reply #205 on: March 20, 2008, 11:26:35 AM »
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Corners are also an area where the superior handling of a car designed for speed (Porsche, Ferrari, etc.) will keep it firmly attached to the road at speeds and lateral G-forces that will send a Yugo through the guard rail and into the canyon. If you were to follow directly behind a Formula One driver in a Toyota, so that both of you were driving the same line through a corner, the Toyota is going to break loose and hit the wall long before the race car.
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Very well put.  G force, weight transfer and late breaking is where its at :-)

Do note that there is a Toyota F1 team in the current F1 Championship.  Not that they are doing great but they're there.  Also, Lotus uses Toyota engines in their current cars. Of course these are very different from a standard Toyota.
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« Reply #206 on: March 20, 2008, 11:30:21 AM »
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Dear God, the lunatics are indeed in charge here.

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Actually I think there is a direct correlation between automobiles and cameras when it comes to equipment.  In both instances the equipment will greatly influence the outcome.

There's a logic behind this apparent lunatism.
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« Reply #207 on: March 20, 2008, 03:39:13 PM »
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I once got my Wolseley 4/44 up to 62mph. I didn't realise man could live at that speed. David
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« Reply #208 on: March 21, 2008, 08:49:25 AM »
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The issue is not whether it's the camera or the photographer, but what is most important is the end result.  The end result of photography are fine prints and images, and so, to achieve that, your skill level must be high for one, for two you need to know what you want in your prints, and three, you must either hone up your skill to reach that end and/or get the gear that will help you achieve that end.  
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« Reply #209 on: March 21, 2008, 03:36:28 PM »
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A bit over 90 may not sound like much, but it was on a motorcycle. A BMW, in fact. Back in my reckless youth.
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I do not write this to denigrate in any way your 90mph, since I don't ride motorcycles at all, but I'm proud to say that a young gentleman from my state (Minnesota) was arrested a couple of years ago for driving a motorcycle 205 miles an hour on a public highway, as timed by a highway patrol plane. That was 150 miles an hour OVER the speed limit. He was fined severely, but, of course, was also something of a local hero. The bike was a specially tuned Honda.

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« Reply #210 on: March 21, 2008, 04:11:02 PM »
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I do not write this to denigrate in any way your 90mph, since I don't ride motorcycles at all, but I'm proud to say that a young gentleman from my state (Minnesota) was arrested a couple of years ago for driving a motorcycle 205 miles an hour on a public highway, as timed by a highway patrol plane. That was 150 miles an hour OVER the speed limit. He was fined severely, but, of course, was also something of a local hero. The bike was a specially tuned Honda.

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I read about that. But my 90 was only 35 over the speed limit, and I didn't get caught.  
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« Reply #211 on: March 23, 2008, 08:01:07 AM »
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I love Lotus.
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« Reply #212 on: March 27, 2008, 08:44:34 AM »
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212 posts. All men. About "my toy is better than your toy" I missed the memo that said photography is a competition.

Oh wait ... my local camera clubs says that every month. Never mind.

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« Reply #213 on: March 27, 2008, 04:02:21 PM »
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My toys better than your toy..
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« Reply #214 on: March 27, 2008, 05:21:13 PM »
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My toys better than your toy..
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But didn't KR say that your toy doesn't matter?  
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« Reply #215 on: March 27, 2008, 05:43:44 PM »
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But didn't KR say that your toy doesn't matter?   
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He must have really crappy toys, and's telling himself "ITS ALL GONNA BE OK"  

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« Reply #216 on: March 29, 2008, 04:47:41 PM »
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Yes, I do agree with the article and most of the forum posts, however, looking back at my amature history I made a few observations. I started with rol fim in 6x6 russian cameras that were used at highschool for training purposes. Some of my best portraits were shot with these mere pinhole cameras (at the age of 14!)

Then I 'upgraded' to the canon AE1 of my dad. It took a while but using its only lens a 50mm 1.8 MF I created some astonishing pictures on HEMA film (the dutch equivalent of wallmart but then smaller, Actually it was cheap konica b/w film inside the box, but that I found out later) One of those pictures still hangs framed in my living room.

Then I got a, in my position, affordable Nikon F801 with some nice zooms and a flash. Suddenly I had all the gear I could dream/afford but soon i found my pictures lacked quality. not techical but at the artistic level. the shots became just good recordings....So I lost interest in photography for about 10 years.

Only three years AFTER the purchase of a Nikon Coolpix 995 i regained my enthusiasm about photography and the artistic quality of photography that grabbed me 20 years before returned.
Several 1000s of shots later I bought a nikon D50 (nothing top notch, but the only thing I can afford). I am using my old lenses (and a new Sigma 10-20 I won at a contest, using a mere $10 Vivitar MF lens) but I use it with its limitations and a different mindset.

It is this mindset that makes the difference I think. Would a better camera make me a better photographer? I guess not. Would the images be of higher quality, maybe a little. Would I care.....not at all.

What matters is passion, time and concentration.

So does gear matter: yes, if it s your work. yes if your goal is to reach highest quality, No if it's your hobby to create ,sometimes artistic or just mere pleasant, images.

 that said, I too have a wish list: A D300,  a 85 1.8, a 70-200 /2.8 VR, a 17-55 maybe, so I quess I'm not that different after all..
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« Reply #217 on: March 30, 2008, 07:32:21 AM »
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What matters is passion, time and concentration.

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Ah never say "Passion" it ranks up there with "Timeless" and or "Timeless Memories" add "Cherished Memories" also. Worse is the fact 95% of people use these uber corny phrases on their sites. I admit, its hard to think of what to say at time..but cmon!!!

Arrgghhhhh, I know a tad OT, but hell..some people even have their outfit named like that. Just a tad on the overused double special cheesey side. The next worse to that is an in depth gear head "about me" page, pushing your own beloved brand..oh John is using a Nikon D3, or a Canon 5d and L lenses..nobody cares what maker you use!!!

3rd place goes to the "boring blog" I hate blogs, there are more often than not damn tedious, what to say eh..oh I got up today and made a coffee..WOOOOOOOOO! lol. If I had a blog, it would bore you to tears. My apologies for the sarcastic post, too many Lee Evan's DVD's!


Ok, my rant is over ;-)
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« Reply #218 on: April 02, 2008, 03:01:05 PM »
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The way I look at it is like trying to ask a Super-model on a date:

It is possible to ask a super-model out on a date by potentially anyone. Stress, "possible", because it's all in what the model wants, correct?  It's what her mind perceives as a pleasing sight and connection that will determine her attraction to the asking person.

Now, with that said, the better you look and communicate, the more attractive you might be to her.  So, if you make an investment in yourself and go for the best you can be in many ways, your chances will improve in getting a "Yes" from her.

It is possible that you can invest your entire life and efforts into improving your chances, and she could say "No", but you could simply have just gotten there a little too late, didn't ask her correctly, or just didn't have the certain charm she's looking for.  however, if you've neglected yourself, wouldn't you think that your chances would diminish?

So, in essence, it seems correct what Michael says in his rebuttal.  If your equipment is better, wouldn't you say your chances of getting a better shot would improve?  A good statistics class covers these modes of Mean and Discriminants (terminology?) etc.  The theory Michael refers to is undoubtedly true if you really dig into it.  It's true in other aspects of life as well, as Sean Reid points out.
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« Reply #219 on: April 04, 2008, 11:03:06 AM »
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What I teach people around me is that if you've watched any of the Sports debate shows, you may see three guys in a forum that will debate each other on who's going to win the next playoff.  They are quite polite and display a very friendly un-biased set of personalities on the air.

What you don't see are their outtakes when they're choking each other and screaming profanity about each other's parents and such.  Nah, I'm sure that doesn't happen, but it's fun to speculate.  hehe

Anyway, let's go shoot some pictures!!  

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