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eronald
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« on: April 11, 2008, 04:36:43 AM »
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http://www.pebbleplace.com/Personal/Medium...G_THE_FUND.html

The above is an interesting report comparing the virtues of the Canon and a P25.
It's interesting because the guy says some nasty things about the Canon and still got one.

I feel he raises many valid points, the upshot of which may be that the image quality of the devices is hostage to their practical usability, and to the distribution net.

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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2008, 06:39:23 AM »
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Interesting but maybe not surprising for anyone whose made the leap to MFDBs.

The one thing I would love someone test or review (from an earlier thread), is how the two platforms compare in low-light, long exposure situations, the major recognized flaw in the MFDB platform and a big issue for architectural shooters.

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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2008, 07:00:22 AM »
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Am I the only one getting fed up of comparisons with Canons here? This is a medium format forum.
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2008, 07:03:35 AM »
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No, you aren't, but you dare to write it while I don't!

 

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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2008, 07:04:44 AM »
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Nope, you are not. I have the same feeling. Let's get over it.  Let's all agree, the Canon is a much better solution than any MF solution  

If that makes some people happy, fine...
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2008, 07:34:17 AM »
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Graham,

I think discussing and looking for solutions to a very big flaw in the MFDB platform - the noisy and limited long exposures (by someone who encounters problem almost daily), is relevant to 'our' forum even if it involves 'lowering' ourselves to discussion of a mere DSLR..  

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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2008, 07:42:06 AM »
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I think discussing and looking for solutions to a very big flaw in the MFDB platform - the noisy and limited long exposures (by someone who encounters problem almost daily), is relevant to 'our' forum even if it involves 'lowering' ourselves to discussion of a mere DSLR.. smile.gif



That's missing the point a little bit...
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2008, 07:53:58 AM »
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There's also the people who currently use DSLRs who are trying to decide if the IQ advantages of MFDB are great enough to overcome the advantages of DSLRs regarding convenience, hand-holdability, shooting speed, low-light/high-ISO performance, etc. The best choice will depend on each photographer's needs and budget and the conditions under which he must shoot, and as such is not an inappropriate topic of discussion for the MF or non-MF forums. MFDB is a camera system, not a sacred cow.
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2008, 09:10:09 AM »
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Because many people do not own dMF systems, discussion of the merits/drawbacks is helpful.  Since many of the owners of 35mm systems do not own dMF sytems and do not have easy access to them, the discussion is very helpful because conversely, many of the owners of dMF have extensive experience with 35mm systems.

That's why sites like pebbleplace.com are so helpful.  That's why the discussion should continue in forums like this where people have experience.    After X years of photography, the threads discussing P&S vs. 35mm are no longer helpful to me but I just skim them to see if I can add something useful to the discussion.

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There's also the people who currently use DSLRs who are trying to decide if the IQ advantages of MFDB are great enough to overcome the advantages of DSLRs regarding convenience, hand-holdability, shooting speed, low-light/high-ISO performance, etc. The best choice will depend on each photographer's needs and budget and the conditions under which he must shoot, and as such is not an inappropriate topic of discussion for the MF or non-MF forums. MFDB is a camera system, not a sacred cow.
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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2008, 09:34:57 AM »
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The guy raises some interesting points, but the big problem with most of these types of reviews is that they are either-or "should I stay or should I go".  As if enough review will somehow lead to finding the perfect system.    Understanding the strengths and weaknesses of the various systems is essential, but should be done to chose the right tool for the job.    I understand that money is an issue and many people can not own multiple systems.    However the best professional craftsmen will have the right tools for the job (or will at least rent them when they need them).

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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2008, 09:44:13 AM »
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PLEASE no more - make a forum category just for these comparisons...Digital MF is GREAT - it's expensive, it's big + heavy, it's slow and it produces magnificent images in capable hands. DSLR is also GREAT - it's cheaper, smaller and lighter, fast and produces magnificent images in capable hands. each tool has a place - most cant do it alone on DMF - it's not perfect, just like DSLR. END OF STORY.
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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2008, 01:55:25 PM »
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Thierry, I hear there's an opening at Canon

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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2008, 03:10:59 PM »
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As a photographer with extensive experience with both 35mm and DB and currently owning both I can tell you this much.. 1.) they both have their merits and complement each other.. 2.) If you think 35mm is even close to a DB in file quality you obviously have not used DB, it's merits are elsewhere.
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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2008, 03:23:45 PM »
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PLEASE no more - make a forum category just for these comparisons...Digital MF is GREAT - it's expensive, it's big + heavy, it's slow and it produces magnificent images in capable hands. DSLR is also GREAT - it's cheaper, smaller and lighter, fast and produces magnificent images in capable hands. each tool has a place - most cant do it alone on DMF - it's not perfect, just like DSLR. END OF STORY.
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 I am with you - please let it be  "end of story"
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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2008, 03:32:55 PM »
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Well, I find this story of someone who exited from MFdb very interesting. More so than the endless discussions launched whenever someone hesitates whether he should enter MFdb.

Also interesting the part that says good things about Steve Hendrix

In fact, I think the executives at Leaf, Sinar, Phase, Mamiya and Hasselblad should have this "review" forwarded to them. And, you know, I actually like some of the guy's pictures.


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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2008, 03:33:32 PM »
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I hate to be the last to comment but
If no one comments it will skip off the board..
That easy, really.
Just do not respond to the posts..  
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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2008, 05:38:29 PM »
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Or better yet, stay out of threads you don't find interesting, so that those who do find the topic interesting can find the information they have an interest in without having to wade through a bunch of arrogant pomposity. Some of you act like members of a 1960's-era Mississippi country club whining about women, blacks, and Jews wanting to become members.
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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2008, 06:36:13 PM »
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Nope, you are not. I have the same feeling. Let's get over it.  Let's all agree, the Canon is a much better solution than any MF solution  

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i agree. but in fact for many things the canons are better, more practical ( and cheaper ) and for other things the mf backs are better. and this is what counts for me and i suppose for the other users of these backs ......
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2008, 09:35:17 PM »
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Or better yet, stay out of threads you don't find interesting, so that those who do find the topic interesting can find the information they have an interest in without having to wade through a bunch of arrogant pomposity. Some of you act like members of a 1960's-era Mississippi country club whining about women, blacks, and Jews wanting to become members.
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Good point, Jonathan. You sometimes make them   .

Photography is full of general statements such as, 'this lens is better, sharper etc than that, "this camera body or DB is better, sharper, produces creamier images etc. that that'.

Some of us want to know just how much better? Is it significant? How significant is it, and in what circumstances?

Is any apparent improvement in image quality due principally to the quality of the MF lenses used; or perhaps circumstances which allow for more accurate focussing; or perhaps it's the case that any apparent improvement is just due to the innate skill and artistic eye of the photographer being displayed in the MF image because successful photographers usually get the most expensive equipment available? To what extent does different post processing affect the result?

Just as police corruption is best not examined and reported upon solely by the police, such issues cannot reasonably be expected to be adequately resolved by MF users with invested interests to protect.

The problem is, I for one am not going to buy a terribly expensive set of MF gear, including DB, MF body and lenses, in order to make such comparisons.

I rely upon MFDB owners who also happen to own a 1Ds3 to make such comparisons, and as I've already written, that's a bit like expecting the Police Force to report on its own corruption.  
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2008, 10:52:03 PM »
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Jonathan - totally uncalled for - it's nothing like that. thats really sick. this forum is really something else - going to pot one post @ a time including this one...
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