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« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2008, 08:56:52 AM »
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Nothing special like shifted lamp spectrum or different profile builders for the two stages ?

The iterative technique is interesting in that you supply images to analyse and it uses colours in that image to decide upon what new patches to test.

I'm not able to test this further at the moment (CM users might want to check for updated s/w this weekend ;-) but when I first tried it on earlier Beta s/w I was surprised to see the iterative sheets look rather similar with different images supplied.

I tried a B/W image to see if it would be smart enough to know I wanted a profile with good neutrals and there were lots of colour patches, not what I might have expected for fine tuning neutrality (but not knowing what it's up to, I wasn't sure what to expect ;-)

There is no change to the behaviour of the measuring device as far as I can tell, when looking at 'iterative' patch sets. The software seems to behave just the same way when building profiles.

I'm curious to find out more, but for the time being I'm a bit stuck with the current s/w

Keith Cooper

PS Andrew ... did you ask X-Rite for a new CM? I did and they just shipped one to me for continuing testing :-)
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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2008, 09:56:16 AM »
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PS Andrew ... did you ask X-Rite for a new CM? I did and they just shipped one to me for continuing testing :-)
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Not yet. I wanted to give them breathing room after firing 100 employees week before last. I'm really not in a hurry.
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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2008, 09:51:14 AM »
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Just a note to Mac users about a conflict between ColorMunki and CS3.  The Xrite ColorMunki installer puts a ProfileSetterCS3.plugin file in the Applications>CS3>Plugins folder.  If this file is present then one cannot open CS3 image files from the finder either by dbl clicking or drag/drop.  Removing the plugin restores normal file handling with CS3.  This is using an Intel Mac, OS 10.5.2.  Nasty little bug.
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« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2008, 10:37:38 AM »
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Just a note to Mac users about a conflict between ColorMunki and CS3.  The Xrite ColorMunki installer puts a ProfileSetterCS3.plugin file in the Applications>CS3>Plugins folder.  If this file is present then one cannot open CS3 image files from the finder either by dbl clicking or drag/drop.  Removing the plugin restores normal file handling with CS3.  This is using an Intel Mac, OS 10.5.2.  Nasty little bug.
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It's similar on 10.4.11 on a PPC Mac - This is a known issue and I'm told a fix is due...
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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2008, 10:58:18 AM »
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The entire Profilesetting concept was about the dumbest thing X-Rite did. Mucking around with someone else's preferences is a no-no. I didn't suspect they would get pinged this quickly after release. Keep em coming, I have a list of "I told you so's" for X-Rite.
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« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2008, 11:46:59 AM »
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The entire Profilesetting concept was about the dumbest thing X-Rite did. Mucking around with someone else's preferences is a no-no. I didn't suspect they would get pinged this quickly after release. Keep em coming, I have a list of "I told you so's" for X-Rite.
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That's as maybe, but it was actually a bug we were mentioning, not a comment on functionality ;-)

Whilst I do indeed have some comments on choices of functionality, I'm waiting until I can test the software as it's meant to be.

If anyone has any detailed questions, please feel free mail/PM me directly... I'm happy to discuss experiences off-list

Long ago I worked as a software developer, so I can sympathise with people working to fix issues (oh and I got fired from the job too :-)
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« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2008, 11:53:18 AM »
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That's as maybe, but it was actually a bug we were mentioning, not a comment on functionality ;-)

Its a bug in dumb functionality and illustrates how fragile it is (now), let alone anytime Adobe updates Photoshop.
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« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2008, 01:40:40 PM »
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Well it was great while it was working, but my Munki just died.  Plugged it back in after the resolving the plugin fiasco and now it seems to have no power (no light) and is not seen by the software.  Apple system profiler does see the Munki on the USB port so I'm not sure what is going on now.  Guess I'll just pack it up and send it back to Xrite.
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« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2008, 01:49:31 PM »
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Well it was great while it was working, but my Munki just died.  Plugged it back in after the resolving the plugin fiasco and now it seems to have no power (no light) and is not seen by the software.  Apple system profiler does see the Munki on the USB port so I'm not sure what is going on now.  Guess I'll just pack it up and send it back to Xrite.
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This is spooky! Exactly the same thing happened today when I tried to use my iSis. No power, DOA.
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« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2008, 02:02:17 PM »
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This is spooky! Exactly the same thing happened today when I tried to use my iSis. No power, DOA.
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Any sunspot activity today?  
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« Reply #30 on: April 21, 2008, 03:31:23 PM »
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Any sunspot activity today? 
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Not really.

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Any sunspot activity today? 
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Not even full moon!
 
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« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2008, 12:06:40 PM »
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So, a few days ago I bought a Canon IPF 5100, and while so far, the profiles I'm using seem fine. I was thinking about this product. My current unit is a Monaco Optix, which I used for just my monitor profiling, and I'd like to move up, and do some printer profiling as well. When I had my lab, I had much more complex equipment, but now I'm retired, I don't want to spend another several thousand.

It seems as though this is an unfinished product, though it's been out for sale supposedly.

What would you guys recommend in the $500 to $1,000 price range? (approx, the numbers aren't fixed)

I'm not concerned about software complexity, just accuracy for the purpose of monitors and printers. Scanners would be nice, but not required.

Thanks.
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« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2008, 12:11:03 PM »
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So, a few days ago I bought a Canon IPF 5100, and while so far, the profiles I'm using seem fine. I was thinking about this product. My current unit is a Monaco Optix, which I used for just my monitor profiling, and I'd like to move up, and do some printer profiling as well. When I had my lab, I had much more complex equipment, but now I'm retired, I don't want to spend another several thousand.

It seems as though this is an unfinished product, though it's been out for sale supposedly.

What would you guys recommend in the $500 to $1,000 price range? (approx, the numbers aren't fixed)

I'm not concerned about software complexity, just accuracy for the purpose of monitors and printers. Scanners would be nice, but not required.

Thanks.
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Based on what you say, seems ColorMunki would still be an ideal product for you.
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« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2008, 12:38:52 PM »
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It seems as though this is an unfinished product, though it's been out for sale supposedly.

What would you guys recommend in the $500 to $1,000 price range? (approx, the numbers aren't fixed)

Whilst there are still a few issues with the software with the ColorMunki, I'd still suggest it might fit your needs, since I know that the bugs are being worked on. The CD that comes with the ColorMunki has a downloader that will pull down the latest version of the s/w and you can easily check for new versions online.

The other alternative at that level is really the SpyderPrint. It doesn't have the 'simplified' interface of the ColorMunki, but that's a plus point (or not) depending on your POV ;-)

I know some complain about its ease of use but when testing it out, I didn't notice any real problems. If you regularly build profiles like I do, then the automated patch readers I've got make the job a lot easier, but then again it's part of my job ;-) It really does not take that much manual dexterity to use the SpyderPrint and I did wonder about the frailty of some people I've heard whinge about it :-) :-)

The SpyderPrint software was recently updated even for owners of the older PrintFIX Pro (same measuring device). Datacolor are still developing the software, so I wouldn't be surprised to see additional functionality added over time.
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« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2008, 01:26:11 PM »
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So you guys see no advantage in the i1Photo or Design series?
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« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2008, 01:48:07 PM »
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So you guys see no advantage in the i1Photo or Design series?
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 In this business we usually trust an instrument after it's been around for about one year, and samples have been dropped, exposed to the attentions of cats, dogs, small children and early adopters.  During that time we run comparisons, and wait for our colleagues to run comparisons. I see no reason to change this advocacy just because this product is cheaper than the ones we usually deal with.

 I would recommend that anyone with a decent budget stay with the true and tested albeit more expensive EyeOne Pro for the time being. Let the pro testers like Andrew and Keith be the kids with the new and shiny toys. Their superior intellect, tireless patience and selfless commitment to the progress of color-management warrants that they be allowed their place in the front lines.

Edmund

PS. I guess the EyeOne is the better instrument any way - at least that's what the guys who make them told me
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« Reply #37 on: April 22, 2008, 02:15:23 PM »
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PS. I guess the EyeOne is the better instrument any way - at least that's what the guys who make them told me
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Not the guys I know who make em. CM is based on newer technology found in the iSis.

If someone has the budget for the EyeOne Pro, fine. Its supported far more in other applications. But if you need something today in the CM price range, I see no reason not to go there. I have a beta hardware product and its working fine (the software is another story, although a non beta is supposed to be on its way). The product works and works well (beyond software design decisions I don't think were spot on). Its got a warranty. It works.
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« Reply #38 on: April 22, 2008, 02:23:03 PM »
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So you guys see no advantage in the i1Photo or Design series?
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In this instance I was very much thinking of the budget... ;-)

If you buy an i1 LT you only get the small patch target and monitor calibration. If you want more then the modules all start to rack up the cost. The LT is really a version to get if you want to use other software with your i1 device.
[a href=\"http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/reviews/profiling/i1-lt.html]i1 LT review [/url](links to all the other versions too)

Over time I've looked at all the different i1 options and while you get a pretty solid product, the price point of the ColorMunki does make you wonder how it fits alongside the i1 line-up. Also, the iterative profile s/w in the CM suggests that the GMB i1 Match s/w might be due for an update before too long.

And yes Ed, it is always nice to get shiny new toys to play with :-)
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« Reply #39 on: April 22, 2008, 02:33:06 PM »
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Not the guys I know who make em. CM is based on newer technology found in the iSis.
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Indeed, the ColorMunki is nice hardware, made by a very good company. And yes, I'll still recommend that anyone who can afford it go for EyeOne, for at least the next 6 months until the software is fully stable. In 6 months I'll recommend ColorMunki warmly to all my friends. In the mean time EyeOne is a known quantity. I guess I'm old now and conservative.

I do hope that i1 Match is brought up to date to do at least what the ColorMunki does ...

Welcome to the club, Keith

Edmund
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