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« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2008, 03:33:28 AM »
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Err, yes that is the definition. I do think that working all day every day with images and working with talented creatives in the field and being constantly judged by these people does lend one a certain extra bit of knowledge on the subject of imagery and the tools used to create it. Not to say that all pros are great, of course not, there are many levels within this category but it does imply a certain level has been reached.
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what is with the "second" world of MFDB users:
I know people they use MFDB for his crime investigation by the police ..
There ar others they use MFDB for restoration dokumentation in a museum ...
I use MFDB as technology to get welding temerature pictures.

Are we also professional ?

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« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2008, 04:33:21 AM »
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André!

 

 

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OOOPPPs I forgot, I can't shoot JPG's
with MFDB. I would need DSLR. Does anybody know if I can get similar results with MK3 ?
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« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2008, 04:42:29 AM »
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Are we going to change every thread to a 1DsIII thread ??
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No we're not. There were a couple of hundred words in that post, and only 3 of them were 1Ds3, the latest and best 35mm DSLR.

The thrust of the post was about the necessity of accurate information about different systems, different cameras and lenses, so that intelligent photograhers can make informed decisions about which camera/system to use in which circumstances.
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« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2008, 04:47:26 AM »
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I had a hard time not getting caught up in it until I found the ignore feature.  Only hit that button 2 or 3 times but it cleared out like 10,000 posts that were distracting.
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What happens when you use the Ignore User feature?  Does the browser automatically filter out any posts from that user?
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« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2008, 04:58:56 AM »
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What happens when you use the Ignore User feature?  Does the browser automatically filter out any posts from that user?
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No. It gives you a choice of viewing the post or ignoring it. It seems to be a device to protect you from unsettling experiences which might result from accidentally viewing an idea or expression which is disturbing.

The nearest equivalent I can think of is the fundamentalist Christian motive of wishing to ban all images that are considered to be pornographic. The concept, if you don't like it, don't view it, is not sufficient. They want to make it very difficult to view it, in case they are tempted against their better interests.
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« Reply #45 on: May 07, 2008, 05:01:55 AM »
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I am joining the vast majority here and voting against a pro section here, for the reasons Michael is pointing out (it is his forum), but also because many of the so-called "amateurs", "semi-amateurs/semi-professionals", "advanced amateurs", etc .... here are often bringing a lot of knowledge, practical or theoretical.

Further, it has been proven that the vast majority of the active members are well-intentioned and do react when a thread gets out of its purpose, which is to inform and share knowledge. I find this to function very well, most of the time.

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« Reply #46 on: May 07, 2008, 05:35:30 AM »
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What happens when you use the Ignore User feature?  Does the browser automatically filter out any posts from that user?
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Yes.


I heartily recomend the use of it
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« Reply #47 on: May 07, 2008, 07:53:14 AM »
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Oh god, here we go, I need to find how to use the ignore function right now.
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« Reply #48 on: May 07, 2008, 09:27:11 AM »
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Oh god, here we go, I need to find how to use the ignore function right now.
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Just click on the name of the user and choose "ignore user".
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« Reply #49 on: May 07, 2008, 09:29:38 AM »
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What I would rather have (and let me know if it already exists) is an ignore thread feature.  

Edit: Not a commentary on THIS thread.
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« Reply #50 on: May 07, 2008, 10:45:32 AM »
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This is so true with perhaps changing "pro" to "photographer". But so very good!

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Pro is someone who makes images instead of mega pixels.
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« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2008, 12:30:03 PM »
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What happens when you use the Ignore User feature?  Does the browser automatically filter out any posts from that user?
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Stuarte,
Perfect timing! This is what your view will look like if you use the ignore feature.    
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« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2008, 12:31:42 PM »
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What I would rather have (and let me know if it already exists) is an ignore thread feature. 

Edit: Not a commentary on THIS thread.
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I second that!  but really sometimes thread discussions take a turn and become more interesting.
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« Reply #53 on: May 07, 2008, 12:41:06 PM »
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From my observation, this thread seems likely directed in large part at Ray.  If you don't like his posts, don't read them, don't respond to them.  Seems like some people on this forum don't like their views challenged, rightly or wrongly as the opposing view may be.  But wanting to create a member's clubhouse is a grade school reaction of popular mean kids...


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No. It gives you a choice of viewing the post or ignoring it. It seems to be a device to protect you from unsettling experiences which might result from accidentally viewing an idea or expression which is disturbing.

The nearest equivalent I can think of is the fundamentalist Christian motive of wishing to ban all images that are considered to be pornographic. The concept, if you don't like it, don't view it, is not sufficient. They want to make it very difficult to view it, in case they are tempted against their better interests.
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« Reply #54 on: May 07, 2008, 02:29:11 PM »
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From my observation, this thread seems likely directed in large part at Ray.  If you don't like his posts, don't read them, don't respond to them.  Seems like some people on this forum don't like their views challenged, rightly or wrongly as the opposing view may be.  But wanting to create a member's clubhouse is a grade school reaction of popular mean kids...
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Obviously some recent threads and the continuation of the same questions would lead us to think that it is directed towards one person, but I don't believe any of this is specifically directed at any one person because these type of me, me, me threads have come up before.

I believe what most people want is personal and relevent information.   There is nothing wrong with anyone shooting a scene with multiple format cameras and showing the results.  I've done that myself, but there is something troubling  for one person to continually ask someone else to do their work for them.

Photography is all about experimentation and this takes investment.

In my experience the only online forums that truly work are the ones where eveyrone shares in equal amounts, regardless of experience.

You see it all the time on forums.  Someone joins, asks others to do their leg work, then once they got what they want they disappear.

The same holds true for people with monitary agendas.  They will join a forum, immediatly post a dozen for sale notices and once they get the use of "free ebay", go back into the woodwork.

There a dozens of kind a well meaning people willing to lend a hand, offer equipment, even direct to the best source, but once again it's really up to the person asking to come to their own conclusions.

Then again, all of this has been said at least a hundred times and for some people that doesn't seem to resonate, which really kills the spirit of this or any other forum.

It's about sharing, not just receving.

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« Reply #55 on: May 07, 2008, 02:32:22 PM »
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I second that!  but really sometimes thread discussions take a turn and become more interesting.
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True.  But I think there are more people that I like to read what they have to say so long as they are not going on about THAT again.  For example I enjoy reading Andrew Rodney's posts so long as he isn't talking about Dan Margulis.

Edit: Fixed the name.
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« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2008, 02:45:50 PM »
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I agree with you wholeheartedly.  I believe this forum is about a mutual passion for photography, and we should share what we can, regardless of skill level.  

I've noticed and appreciated your contributions as I've been a longtime "lurker".  I feel that making an exclusive forum goes against the heart of a sharing.

Yes, people do need to do some leg work, I do think though with dMF it becomes a bit trickier because of cost of entry.  "Experimenting" with medium format lenses has cost me $$$$ and many are financially ill-positioned to do these tests (and in all honesty, so am I lol).  And many are not lucky enough to reside in a major photographic center such as NYC or LA.    Even in NYC it has not been a cake-walk trying to find a place that will let me try a digi-back without spending hundreds of dollars.    

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Obviously some recent threads and the continuation of the same questions would lead us to think that it is directed towards one person, but I don't believe any of this is specifically directed at any one person because these type of me, me, me threads have come up before.

I believe what most people want is personal and relevent information.   There is nothing wrong with anyone shooting a scene with multiple format cameras and showing the results.  I've done that myself, but there is something troubling  for one person to continually ask someone else to do their work for them.

Photography is all about experimentation and this takes investment.

In my experience the only online forums that truly work are the ones where eveyrone shares in equal amounts, regardless of experience.

You see it all the time on forums.  Someone joins, asks others to do their leg work, then once they got what they want they disappear.

The same holds true for people with monitary agendas.  They will join a forum, immediatly post a dozen for sale notices and once they get the use of "free ebay", go back into the woodwork.

There a dozens of kind a well meaning people willing to lend a hand, offer equipment, even direct to the best source, but once again it's really up to the person asking to come to their own conclusions.

Then again, all of this has been said at least a hundred times and for some people that doesn't seem to resonate, which really kills the spirit of this or any other forum.

It's about sharing, not just receving.

JR
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« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2008, 06:06:03 PM »
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From my observation, this thread seems likely directed in large part at Ray.  If you don't like his posts, don't read them, don't respond to them.  Seems like some people on this forum don't like their views challenged, rightly or wrongly as the opposing view may be.  But wanting to create a member's clubhouse is a grade school reaction of popular mean kids...
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There is a big fundamental fact and it is this:

Many pros dont want to participate in forums because they get bogged down dpreview style, I think this is why people email james russell asking him why he bothers.
If we had a pro section then those people who are asking why he bothers might actually join and everyone would gain, what could be better for everyone, amateurs and pros, than a forum filled with the industries top professionals chatting online, for all to see, the technical merits of their equipment.
I remember when sokolsky used to post on robgalbraith, he left, I don't know why but if we could get more top proffesionals on this site it could elevate it to another level.
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« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2008, 06:38:11 PM »
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i am as well against a closed pro forum in any form.
there is no need to respond here to treats which bring again and again the same discussions so we can dry them out, each one can help here.
in general i dont see this ll mf forum decreasing in quality over the last years, more the opposite.

maybe it could be a good idea to open another forum in ll where cameras, lenses and so on can be compared, as someone recently had suggested. most of the not- ending treats are going over and over about that.
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« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2008, 06:56:33 PM »
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Obviously some recent threads and the continuation of the same questions would lead us to think that it is directed towards one person, but I don't believe any of this is specifically directed at any one person because these type of me, me, me threads have come up before.

I believe what most people want is personal and relevent information.   There is nothing wrong with anyone shooting a scene with multiple format cameras and showing the results.  I've done that myself, but there is something troubling  for one person to continually ask someone else to do their work for them.

Photography is all about experimentation and this takes investment.

In my experience the only online forums that truly work are the ones where eveyrone shares in equal amounts, regardless of experience.

You see it all the time on forums.  Someone joins, asks others to do their leg work, then once they got what they want they disappear.

The same holds true for people with monitary agendas.  They will join a forum, immediatly post a dozen for sale notices and once they get the use of "free ebay", go back into the woodwork.

There a dozens of kind a well meaning people willing to lend a hand, offer equipment, even direct to the best source, but once again it's really up to the person asking to come to their own conclusions.

Then again, all of this has been said at least a hundred times and for some people that doesn't seem to resonate, which really kills the spirit of this or any other forum.

It's about sharing, not just receving.

JR
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Hi
I agree with James here. Lets leave this form the way it is. This might not sound related but we get many emails from assistants wanting to work with us. Most of the emails say how much we admire your work, want to work us...............................then it will end we want to see how you shoot & direct. I will not hire assistants like this because they will just stand around & bring nothing to the party, they just take. We do get the rare email from assistants who are good & sound geniune & they are the ones we will hire. Lately I have just ignored some threads.
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