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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2008, 04:13:25 PM »
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...and sells for about how much?

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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2008, 04:45:37 PM »
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...and sells for about how much?

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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2008, 05:05:05 PM »
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It's actually larger than Adobe RGB and the red and blue extend further out.

In the attached image AdobeRGB is shown in the green/yellow outlined triangle, the colored triangle is the monitor gamut.

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Cool.  The 3090 is sRGB like the 2490, right, not almost-Adobe RGB like the 2690?
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2008, 05:26:46 PM »
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- Do you think the color leakage that this monitor is exhibiting will be similar acros most nec 2690-s and another nec 2690 will be very similar?
Each monitor will be slightly different, and will change slightly as things settle down after packing/shipping. All S-IPS panels have some color leakage with viewing angle in the blacks, but some may have more in certain areas.

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-what about 3090?
It's the same panel technology as the LCD2690 and does have the same off-axis color leakage in black, but this is much less objectionable than the gamma and color shift  above black found on other types of panels.

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- Another question, what should be the expected black level on this monitor at about 120 brightness output?
Depending on the settings, age of the monitor etc., I would expect something in the region of 0.3 cd/m^2, or a contrast ratio of around 400:1 or higher.


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- A few users reported that brightness output of 140 is a "sweet spot" and would provide smaller deltas and better accuracy. Is that a recommended setting?
The recommended setting depends on what you are doing and your work environment etc. Others on this list will be able to give their opinions, but 140 seems to be very reasonable for proofing applications. Going much lower than 100 will start to degrade the contrast ratio.


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- what would be the optimal brightness output setting for a balance between accuracy and longevity of the monitor?
The brightness setting doesn't have a real impact on the accuracy. If you do drive it at full brightness then it will degrade quicker.
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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2008, 07:19:56 PM »
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Will, Thanks for the reply.

Adnrew,

would you be able to post a similar test, how your new 3090 (or your old 2690) shows black image full screen ? I am unsettled  about the color shits on my 2690 it shows in darker and lighter grays as well. I guess on mine it is quite severe and ColorComp adjustment is not sufficient.
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2008, 07:29:14 PM »
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would you be able to post a similar test, how your new 3090 (or your old 2690) shows black image full screen ? I am unsettled  about the color shits on my 2690 it shows in darker and lighter grays as well. I guess on mine it is quite severe and ColorComp adjustment is not sufficient.
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Other then what I see visually, I don't know how I'd do this. Both look fine to me (so far, the 3090 is just warming up).

I filled a Photoshop doc with black, full screen mode. It looks black.
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2008, 07:48:07 PM »
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The way I did it - I turned off the lights and took a photo of the monitor at various angles (don't care much about motion blur) Do you observe any color / brightness leakage?

In a brightly lit room I don't see much brightness variation on the screen, but the right side is cyan:(
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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2008, 07:58:32 PM »
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The way I did it - I turned off the lights and took a photo of the monitor at various angles (don't care much about motion blur) Do you observe any color / brightness leakage?

In a brightly lit room I don't see much brightness variation on the screen, but the right side is cyan:(
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Every LCD I've ever seen does have some viewing angle issues. This pup is HUGE and yes, if I sit in front of it, I see black pretty cleanly over the my current field of view but moving to one side or the other, to be straight in front of any area, other areas may appear to show this viewing angle issue. I see it on my 2690, my iMac, my Cinema display but they area all much smaller so the effect on a bigger unit is larger because this beast is HUGE. If I'm sitting in the middle of the display, at a distance of about 18-20 inches, the edges are a heck of a lot father from that center position. To get straight in front of say the lower right corner, I have to move my head about 10-15 inches over.

I should probably be a lot farther away from this unit, I have to play some more (and the width of my desk is "only" 29 inches). My god, this display is hugmongous.
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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2008, 12:02:27 AM »
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FWIW, this was in the latest 'Insights' newsletter from John Paul Caponigro:

"NEC 2690WUXi Monitor

It's the best monitor I've ever used.

The softproofed image onscreen has never looked so accurate. This LCD monitor has proprietary hardward technology that compresses the highlights to more accurately represent images in print. The monitor has hardware calibration technology that virtually eliminates color banding and provides excellent color uniformity across the screen. An internal stabilizer keeps colors consistent and the screen brightness to a level that more accurately represents images in print. Most LCD monitors are too bright to simulate images in print as accurately. The NEC 2690's wide gamut encompasses over 90% of Adobe RGB.
And it's high resolution.

26"    2690WQXi   $1319.99
30"    3090WQXi   $2419.99

My workshop participants get discounts directly from the manufacturer. Download the workshop CD material for information on how to get this discount.

I'll present a more extensive review in my blog. (Yes, it's coming!) And I'll put my full review into a downloadable PDF format soon. Stay tuned!"

Of course that won't help you with the choice between 26" and 30"...

Mike.
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« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2008, 07:27:12 AM »
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The way I did it - I turned off the lights and took a photo of the monitor at various angles (don't care much about motion blur) Do you observe any color / brightness leakage?

In a brightly lit room I don't see much brightness variation on the screen, but the right side is cyan:(
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You may consider switching to 2190UXi. It's the only NEC with SA-SFT panel type, that's a little better in this respect.

It also shows color leaks:
[a href=\"http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec1.jpg]http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec1.jpg[/url]
...but when you look straight forward it's not so bad:
http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec2.jpg

It may also work in a darker surrounding, at lower brightness level, and it has a little lower black point. It is a normal gamut panel - this may be a drawback for someone, but for photo editing work it may be even better (according to Karl Lang  )
I find working on 2x21 more covinient, you have more place on the right side:
http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec3.jpg
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« Reply #30 on: May 17, 2008, 02:18:08 PM »
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I want to purchace the 2690 with spectraview

Can anyone recommend a few (so not to be bias) online sellers that accept paypal.
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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2008, 09:56:42 AM »
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It's actually larger than Adobe RGB and the red and blue extend further out.

Indeed! I see the spec's for the 3090 from NEC indicating 97.8%, 93% for the 2690. Cool. Its big and big. I do know you don't, like defining this using a simple percentage value despite NEC press releases (when will marketing listen to the color geeks?) but at least its an apples to apples set of figures.
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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2008, 08:58:42 AM »
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You may consider switching to 2190UXi. It's the only NEC with SA-SFT panel type, that's a little better in this respect.

It also shows color leaks:
http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec1.jpg
...but when you look straight forward it's not so bad:
http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec2.jpg

It may also work in a darker surrounding, at lower brightness level, and it has a little lower black point. It is a normal gamut panel - this may be a drawback for someone, but for photo editing work it may be even better (according to Karl Lang  )
I find working on 2x21 more covinient, you have more place on the right side:
http://members.chello.pl/m.kaluza/nec3.jpg
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Czornyj,

Thanks for posting the images.
I am using smooth gradients a lot of in my work and brightness/color uniformity is critical. I am still puzzled, which 24"+ monitor currently available on the market would be most uniform, 12 bits hardware LUT, aRBG and under $2000...

I have also found that there is a noticeable diference in using 9"x12" tablet with  1900x1200 moitor after using it with 1600x1200 monitor resolution as, considering difference in aspect ratio, only a portion of the tablet's area is mapped to screen area. Though my hand is quite steady, there is some jumpiness when using a pen now. I think for 30" displays at full resolution a 12"x19" tablet would be more suitable and 9"x12" will be too small for comfortable retouching.
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I have also found that there is a noticeable diference in using 9"x12" tablet with  1900x1200 moitor after using it with 1600x1200 monitor resolution as, considering difference in aspect ratio, only a portion of the tablet's area is mapped to screen area. Though my hand is quite steady, there is some jumpiness when using a pen now. I think for 30" displays at full resolution a 12"x19" tablet would be more suitable and 9"x12" will be too small for comfortable retouching.
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You can tweak a Wacom to match aspect ratio of screen [or not]. I'm currently using a A6 travel Graphire and only use a portion of that small size and my desktop is 2560x1024, but I like a responsive cursor and want to use it like a pen on not a mouse! I can reach all parts of screen by moving wrist and not whole arm. I had an A3 and an A4 tablet, but found them to slow and space consuming [for my needs]. I use Tablet on right and an MS mouse on left hand side too as that's so much better than the horribly small Wacom mouse.
If I was doing fine retouching, I'd simply zoom in if I felt pen was too jumpy, though I find it very accurate, even with the A6 Graphire, which isn't as nice as my larger Intuous tablet.
I originally bought it for travelling and it became my home tablet as well.
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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2008, 06:12:52 PM »
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Have you considered the Wacom Cintiq? I use the 20WSX widescreen Cintiq in conjuction with a 20" Apple Cinema Display. The ability to edit directly on the screen is the most natural of all the input devices.

Wacom has just dropped the price of the 21" Cintiq by $500.
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I've tried the cintiq and although it's great in some ways, your hand can obscure what you are working on if using the smaller versions.
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FWIW, this was in the latest 'Insights' newsletter from John Paul Caponigro:

"NEC 2690WUXi Monitor

It's the best monitor I've ever used.

The softproofed image onscreen has never looked so accurate. This LCD monitor has proprietary hardward technology that compresses the highlights to more accurately represent images in print. The monitor has hardware calibration technology that virtually eliminates color banding and provides excellent color uniformity across the screen. An internal stabilizer keeps colors consistent and the screen brightness to a level that more accurately represents images in print. Most LCD monitors are too bright to simulate images in print as accurately. The NEC 2690's wide gamut encompasses over 90% of Adobe RGB.
And it's high resolution.

26"    2690WQXi   $1319.99
30"    3090WQXi   $2419.99

My workshop participants get discounts directly from the manufacturer. Download the workshop CD material for information on how to get this discount.

I'll present a more extensive review in my blog. (Yes, it's coming!) And I'll put my full review into a downloadable PDF format soon. Stay tuned!"

Of course that won't help you with the choice between 26" and 30"...

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How does it compare to an Apple cinema display?

PS: Amazon has it for 1220$

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My god, this display is hugmongous.
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Hi Andrew


Can I have some advice!!

Is your new 3090 the standard display or the Spectraview software version - and is the latter worth the extra (is it out yet?) if you have a decent spyder (in my case would an Optix XR Pro be up to it).

Plus I'm using a PCI express radeon X1950 Pro card - could I run both the 30" and (my existing) 23" Apple Display off the same card (I'm on a PC running 64 bit XP Pro) or will I need a second card to drive the 23".

And what's your view of the 3090 versus the HP3065 just reviewed on LL.


Choices, choices, choices!

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« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2008, 06:00:35 PM »
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Is your new 3090 the standard display or the Spectraview software version - and is the latter worth the extra (is it out yet?) if you have a decent spyder (in my case would an Optix XR Pro be up to it).

Plus I'm using a PCI express radeon X1950 Pro card - could I run both the 30" and (my existing) 23" Apple Display off the same card (I'm on a PC running 64 bit XP Pro) or will I need a second card to drive the 23".

And what's your view of the 3090 versus the HP3065 just reviewed on LL.
Choices, choices, choices!

I'm running the 30" with the SpectraView software and yes you want to do this as well. It supports a Spyder from DataColor but I'd go for the OPTIX or EyeOne (it sounds like you have an Optix and are referring to it as a "Spyder" which is a brand name of another colorimeter).

Not sure what the X1950 supports, but I suspect it will work as I'm driving the 30" and 26" on a 1900 (whatever the extra 50 does or doesn't do, I'm not sure). This is on a Mac.

Have no idea about the HP, never seen it.
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Hi Andrew

Thanks for your quick reply and advice.

So yours is the 3090 Multisync with separate Spectraview II software?

The NEC supplier was spinning me the line that the Spectraview monitors (as opposed to the Multisync)  were hand picked off the prodcution line and had some hardware modifcations to enable use of the Spectraview software - was I being fed marketing b*ll?


And yes, currently using a Monaco Optix Xr Pro.


Chris

Looks like my desk is going to get crowded....
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