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« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2008, 11:01:59 PM »
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not nessecarily so

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*Sigh* Spoke too soon I see... sad, just sad.
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« Reply #61 on: May 28, 2008, 11:09:03 PM »
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Really sad thing!

Murray, Willem, Denis and all other Aussies: are there any plans to "counter" this?

I know that this would trigger huge street demonstrations, if it happened in France, and not only by photographers.

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not nessecarily so

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« Reply #62 on: May 28, 2008, 11:09:42 PM »
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*Sigh* Spoke too soon I see... sad, just sad.
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I think we need some perspective on who this last journalist is...

Miranda Devine is our Rush Limbaugh, populist right wing rubbish.....

Now on a more sombre/amusing note:

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It seems the National Gallery may be in possession of child pornography (Henson's work) and the police are investigating...can this become an even bigger farce?

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« Reply #63 on: May 28, 2008, 11:16:03 PM »
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is the ad image beside and included in this newspaper article not to be considered as "child pornography": they are obviously children arms and hands (naked!) with "obscene" gestures!



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Now on a more sombre/amusing note:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/arts/henson-now...1654185774.html

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« Reply #64 on: May 29, 2008, 12:29:30 AM »
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Dear EPd,

If it would have been of public knowledge, then things would have gone differently. There are many examples about it. Which would not necessarily have had a different result concerning the conviction. But if you touch at French "liberties" and "freedom" of thinking, people won't be quiet. You don't seem to know the French.

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Thierry, I wouldn't be too sure about that. I clearly remember the conviction of Dutch painter Kiki Lamers by a French judge in 2004: she was a celebrated artist, known for her paintings of young children, living and working in France at the time. For studying her models she used to make transparencies of her own children and those of friends, playing. Often naked. Just innocent young children, playing. No adults were involved in the play, nor did these children do anything that young children normally don't do. One day a guy at the photostore looked at her slides and called the police. Misses Lamers was convicted for producing and owning "immoral" material: eight months probational imprisonment plus a fine of 5000.-. Her husband received the same conviction, since the house (a small castle in the Provence) in which the studying material was stored was also his. Of course these convictions raised outrage. That is: amongst the people who knew Kiki Lamers' work or herself in person. In France nobody gave a damn. She was just a foreigner after all... Mind you: the photographic material was never used or even meant for public viewing. Do a search for Kiki Lamers' paintings and judge for yourself how "liberal" French society is. Here is a painting made by her after one of the convicted photographs:

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« Reply #65 on: May 29, 2008, 09:16:23 AM »
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Dear EPd,

Here we are again.

May I say that I do not know about this particular story you are mentioning here, and do not know about the full details either. Possibly you are right, I cannot discuss it and if it happened the way you describe it, then I can only agree with you.

Still, you seem to have a weird behaviour and too happy to find ground and issues where you can "nail" me down. If this is your fun, then let it be and have fun.

My point in the post you have criticized was not to praise the French nor their institutions or whatsoever, but I have simply asked if they are further actions planed by somebody in AU agains something which seems a bit over the top.

It seems to me that if such a story shows up in newspapers in France, then there is a public outcry, whatever you are thinking, and there have been many examples in the recent past, with some movies being censured. I have myself been in many such demonstrations, not for the same reasons as mentioned here, but sometimes for the same "farces" and to defend some basic values we all believe in: freedom of thinking, freedom of religion, freedom of expression (press, artistic, ...), etc .... And mentioning France was only because I know France, not to compare it with Australia nor to praise it or myself in any way. I don't know other countries enough and therefore cannot speak about it. I am simply curious, so let me be curious and ask.

I hope we can leave it now and let this thread continue its normal course and return to something which is more important.

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Sorry Thierry, I am afraid I know more about the French than I would like to. Yes, generally they will defend the three pillars that the Revolution was built upon. And they love some heated debate about anything they deem intellectually challenging. But don't get in the hands of the French "justice" system! They'll do everything to bite your head off. This artist's life was destroyed. She moved back to Holland in deep shock, having to live with the fact that her personal images of her own children and of her friend's children were labeled child pornography. Her slides (a few thousand) were never returned to her. And since the French real estate dealer knew the castle had to be sold in urge he took terrible advantage of her. This is one of the worst cases of injustice against an artist that I know of, especially since it happened in France with it's historical obligation to defend individual freedom. It still can keep me awake sometimes. By the way: the case was covered by major French newspapers. But still nobody there cared.

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« Reply #66 on: May 29, 2008, 12:01:26 PM »
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EPd,

yes, agreed, it's that serious. That is why I wish to believe that people everywhere in the world where such happens do react against such a fundamental liberty denial.

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Dear Thierry,

It's that serious...   

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« Reply #67 on: June 01, 2008, 07:13:57 PM »
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turning the tide


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« Reply #68 on: June 01, 2008, 09:12:56 PM »
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Really sad thing!

Murray, Willem, Denis and all other Aussies: are there any plans to "counter" this?

I know that this would trigger huge street demonstrations, if it happened in France, and not only by photographers.

Thierry
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Thierry,
There are many prominent people in Australia who have spoken out in defense of Bill Henson's work, including Cate Blanchett, one of Australia's best known actors who is also reputed to be a personal friend of our Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, (the one who was so critical of Henson's images of teenage girls, describing them as revolting and devoid of artistic merit, and whose comments have no doubt encouraged  the police to pursue this matter and grab other photos of Henson's from other galleries.)

Our Shadow Treasurer, Malcolm Turnbull who is tipped to be the next Leader of the Opposition, ironically happens to own a few Henson works, although he's quick to point out, not of the nude teenage girl variety. The National Broadcaster, the ABC, recently aired a program on Bill Henson's work, describing his motives, intentions and style, although they carefully blurred the identity of all the nude teenager photos that were displayed in the program.

This action of the police raiding art galleries is a complete farce and a throw-back to an earlier era in Australian history which is very much out of step with current public opinion. Eventually the Public Prosecutor will have to make a decision as to whether there's a reasonable chance of a prosecution. I doubt that there will be a sufficiently strong case. The matter will probably just blow over. I think the public will be justifiably very annoyed if money is wasted on pointless prosecutions like this when there are so much more important matters to attend to.
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« Reply #69 on: June 01, 2008, 09:38:37 PM »
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Thanks Ray!

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There are many prominent people in Australia who have spoken out in defense of Bill Henson's work, including Cate Blanchett, one of Australia's best known actors who is also reputed to be a personal friend of our Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd, (the one who was so critical of Henson's images of teenage girls, describing them as revolting and devoid of artistic merit, and who's comments have no doubt encouraged  the police to pursue this matter and grab other photos of Henson's from other galleries.)

Our Shadow Treasurer, Malcolm Turnbull who is tipped to be the next Leader of the Opposition, ironically happens to own a few Henson works, although he's quick to point out, not of the nude teenage girl variety. The National Broadcaster, the ABC, recently aired a program on Bill Henson's work, describing his motives, intentions and style, although they carefully blurred the identity of all the nude teenager photos that were displayed in the program.

This action of the police raiding art galleries is a complete farce and a thow-back to an earlier era in Australian history which is very much out of step with current public opinion. Eventually the Public Prosecutor will have to make a decision as to whether there's a reasonable chance of a prosecution. I doubt that there will be a sufficiently strong case. The matter will probably just blow over. I think the public will be justifiably very annoyed if money is wasted on pointless prosecutions like this when there are so much more important matters to attend to.
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« Reply #70 on: June 03, 2008, 06:40:07 AM »
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Thanks Ray!

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« Reply #71 on: June 05, 2008, 06:49:18 AM »
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Someone's on a mission.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iF6Pch...fkwGc3UIEHeC5tw
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/AL...p-L_rbIjPHyBqQg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7437003.stm
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« Reply #72 on: June 05, 2008, 07:00:31 AM »
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The point here is that Henson's work is exactly NOT child pornography...

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« Reply #73 on: June 05, 2008, 07:44:44 AM »
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The point here is that Henson's work is exactly NOT child pornography...
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Agreed.
But it seems the powers that be have an agenda, and he's being caught up in it.
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« Reply #74 on: June 05, 2008, 10:08:09 AM »
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...The Interpol-led probe involving 170 countries was launched after a hacker posted 99 child porn images on a European website, which attracted 12 million hits in just 76 hours....

You all have to admit that there is a bit of a "demand" for images of children as sex objects.

If you post the innocently captured image of you naked daughter on line you may get, what? 6 million hits of this surfers that may see the images their way, they don't care about the artistic intent, do they?

My point is only that you have to be aware that things are not so simple and that somewhere here there are consequences and victims. I know that there is a good side and a bad side and the line is difficult to establish. Maybe this show is safely on the good side of the line, -- I would have to see the images to really form my opinion -- but the topic is relevant and not so easily dismissible as most here seam to believe it is... I think.
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« Reply #75 on: June 05, 2008, 04:19:11 PM »
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He's of the hook!

http://www.smh.com.au/news/arts/hensons-na...2259014096.html
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« Reply #76 on: June 05, 2008, 04:43:56 PM »
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Wikipedia starts have article on him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Henson
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« Reply #77 on: June 05, 2008, 06:35:44 PM »
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He's of the hook!

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Now let's see if the 'witchhunt' goes back the otherway - after the thought police...

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« Reply #78 on: June 05, 2008, 06:50:52 PM »
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Call me cynical....

it was just pointed out to me that this was announced an about page 10 of the Sydney Morning Herald (our main broadsheet), in a single column article after running for days on the front and back pages of every newspaper in the country...

I guess Henson's innocence does not sell papers.

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« Reply #79 on: June 05, 2008, 07:28:08 PM »
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Call me cynical....
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I guess Henson's innocence does not sell papers.

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Call me cynical too.

I reckon the papers might have helped Mr Henson's sales though...

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