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« on: June 25, 2008, 07:48:14 PM »
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The Camera Raw 4.5 Release Candidate (RC) is available here:

http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Camera_Raw_4.5
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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2008, 08:40:33 PM »
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Anything other than support for the two new Oly cameras in 4.5?
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2008, 09:37:54 PM »
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Presumably support for all the goodness coming in LR 2.0.
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2008, 07:09:31 AM »
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New camera support and minor bug fixes. There's some more under-the-hood goodness but we won't be saying anything more about it till final 4.5 release. Ultimately you'll want to move up to it, for sure.
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2008, 04:41:28 PM »
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New camera support and minor bug fixes. There's some more under-the-hood goodness but we won't be saying anything more about it till final 4.5 release. Ultimately you'll want to move up to it, for sure.
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Sorry for being ignorant Chan, but are you affiliated with Adobe?
And now that it has been released where can I get a rundown of all these under the hood goodies?
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2008, 04:53:34 PM »
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Sorry for being ignorant Chan, but are you affiliated with Adobe?
And now that it has been released where can I get a rundown of all these under the hood goodies?
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He's on the Lightroom team now (his name is on the title page) and I'm pleased as can be that he is since he's 'one of us'.  Loved his 3800 FAQs and he's a photographer too so his input from that--and his technical knowledge---should be terrific.  I understand that he had a great deal to do with the new camera profiles.

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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2008, 05:22:49 PM »
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Thanks Diane. Philmar, I'm on the Camera Raw engineering team (and hence effectively work on Lightroom as well). The primary under-the-hood benefit that I was referring to in my earlier post was the new profiles and DNG Profile Editor, which Michael wrote about recently (see the What's New section).
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2008, 06:55:10 PM »
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The primary under-the-hood benefit that I was referring to in my earlier post was the new profiles and DNG Profile Editor,
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And Negative Clarity...and up to 60,000K pixels. Both of which were added for Lightroom 2.0 compatibility. Also, while CR 4.5 can't make any local adjustments, it can render those adjustments from Lightroom 2.0. Another compatibility thingie...and yes, Eric has proven to be "useful" inspite of actually working for Adobe...

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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2008, 08:29:36 PM »
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I'm trying to figure out how to get those camera profiles for LR2 to been seen by ACR4.5.  Anyone can help?

Thanks.
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2008, 09:36:23 PM »
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Eric,
I just read your article on John Nacks (Adobe) blog.  Extremely well written - and in a way that anyone can understand. Awesome article.
I can't wait to try and use the Chart Wizard and try and get my white balanced color perfect (or closer!)
Also, the Camera Matching profiles appear to be something special.  The Nikon D300 profile will be interesting for me in that I can't really come close to that wiches brew -  at least not yet.

Thanks again for the well written article and I for one will try the beta.

link to the blog
[a href=\"http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/08/the_dng_profile_editor.html]http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2008/08/the_d...ile_editor.html[/url]
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2008, 08:33:13 AM »
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Hi Henry,

Please check the first few questions of the FAQ here and see if they help. I'm assuming you already downloaded the installer for the profiles and that the installer ran successfully?

http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles_FAQ

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2008, 11:14:20 PM »
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Hey Eric,

I've installed ACR 4.5 and have downloaded the profiles.  When I open up a Canon 40D image in ACR, all I see under the "camera profile" tab are the "camera" (faithful, portrait, etc), the "Adobe Standard Beta 1", ACR 4.4 and ACR 4.2.  I'm trying to load a Pentax k10d profile but don't know how to do so.  

I tried pulling it up in the DNG editor and exporting an unmodified k10d profile after choosing "choose external profile", along with a few others, and that gets them to appear in ACR.  However, those exported profiles all look identical to one another.  How can I load the profiles that I downloaded from Adobe, the ones from that huge list in the "Adobe Standard Beta 1" folder, into ACR?  I'm trying to get my 40D to look like a Pentax k10d.  It's late, I'm tired, so I apologize if I'm missing something obvious.

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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2008, 07:14:01 AM »
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Hi John,

Answered in the FAQ here:

http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_P...sCameraSpecific
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_P...ofilesShowingUp
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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2008, 08:15:58 AM »
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Thanks for the reply, Eric.

I had read that FAQ a few times before I posted, and I understood that the Adobe profiles, in my case (for a Canon 40D) are based on looks that can be had using in camera adjustments.  However, what got me excited about this whole thing was reading Mr. Reichmann's article:

[a href=\"http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/accessories/dng-profiles.shtml]http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/...-profiles.shtml[/url]

especially this quote:  

Or how about having your Olympus D3's images look like a Nikon D300, or Pentax K20D? Just as easily possible.

from Adobe FAQ:

Are the new profiles camera-specific?

Yes. Every profile that we build is camera-specific. Even the older profiles (e.g., ACR 3.3, ACR 4.4) are camera-specific. In fact, the profile menu in CR/LR will only show profiles for your camera. Note that the profiles you see in the profile menu do not include the camera's model name (e.g., Canon EOS 40D). This is intentional (for several reasons).


Correct me if I'm wrong, but at this point, we can only get profiles that are camera specific (sentance 3, above quote)?  Is this just the current state of the beta software?  Is there an "export" workaround using the DNG editor?  Sorry if I'm still missing something.

Thanks again,
John
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2008, 10:11:49 AM »
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Might it be possible to "trick" LR or ACR into using the profile you wish by changing the filename?  I.E.; change the Pentax to Nikon, etc.

;-)  Maybe a low tech solution to a high tech problem?

Cheers...

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Thanks for the reply, Eric.

I had read that FAQ a few times before I posted, and I understood that the Adobe profiles, in my case (for a Canon 40D) are based on looks that can be had using in camera adjustments.  However, what got me excited about this whole thing was reading Mr. Reichmann's article:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/...-profiles.shtml

especially this quote: 

Or how about having your Olympus D3's images look like a Nikon D300, or Pentax K20D? Just as easily possible.

from Adobe FAQ:

Are the new profiles camera-specific?

Yes. Every profile that we build is camera-specific. Even the older profiles (e.g., ACR 3.3, ACR 4.4) are camera-specific. In fact, the profile menu in CR/LR will only show profiles for your camera. Note that the profiles you see in the profile menu do not include the camera's model name (e.g., Canon EOS 40D). This is intentional (for several reasons).


Correct me if I'm wrong, but at this point, we can only get profiles that are camera specific (sentance 3, above quote)?  Is this just the current state of the beta software?  Is there an "export" workaround using the DNG editor?  Sorry if I'm still missing something.

Thanks again,
John
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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2008, 11:35:38 AM »
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Might it be possible to "trick" LR or ACR into using the profile you wish by changing the filename?  I.E.; change the Pentax to Nikon, etc.
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This would be an unfruitful exercise and not something you would want to do. The process of getting one camera to "look" like another camera is simply a matter of precise editing of profiles built using DNG Profile Editor. Go to the labs.adobe.com site and read the PE docs carefully. The process is there.
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2008, 11:01:29 PM »
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The process of getting one camera to "look" like another camera is simply a matter of precise editing of profiles built using DNG Profile Editor.
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I was hoping for an even more simple, no edit required solution.  I don't understand why Adobe doesn't want to enable their non camera specific profiles in ACR.  I for one would really like to "try out" other cameras' looks by just importing the profiles that Adobe provided, instead of tweaking a profile and most likely doing so poorly.

John
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2008, 07:04:43 AM »
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Sensors are different. It makes no sense to use a camera profile for one camera with another, unless you want to, say, make your greens turn into reds and your reds turn purple.

Use the DNG Profile Editor and Tutorial 2 to build a profile for one camera that comes close to match another camera's color. If you follow the instructions carefully, it will take you approximately 30 seconds.

http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/DNG_Profiles:Editor
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2008, 08:55:20 AM »
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Sensors are different. It makes no sense to use a camera profile for one camera with another, unless you want to, say, make your greens turn into reds and your reds turn purple.

That's what I didn't realize.  Thanks for clearing that up for me.

John
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2008, 09:46:20 AM »
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Bingo.....

Thanks Eric....that clears up everything.

Cheers...

TK

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That's what I didn't realize.  Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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